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Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - xLeviathan - 2011-06-23
Cancambo Wrote:He's introducing it because he believes in it. He's an extremely consistent politician.
Also, this bill doesn't legalize marijuana. It removes the federal restriction on MJ. States could still restrict its use, however.
Cancambo Wrote:They do raids all the time.
I meant to word it like that. Came out wrong. T.T
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - CrazyForDex - 2011-06-23
White Wrote:Not a fan. I know there's a huge clamoring for legalization but I think it'll certainly show the extent of it's negatives if legalized.To each his own, but like the other people who haved requested a list, I would like one as well.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Takebacker - 2011-06-23
I still think that if something is going to really help change the economy to what it was pre-recession, it is this.
Therefore, do want.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - xLeviathan - 2011-06-23
Takebacker Wrote:I still think that if something is going to really help change the economy to what it was pre-recession, it is this.
Therefore, do want.
What would REALLY help is if it was legal in many more places. We're such a huge crop nation, could you imagine exporting marijuana? That would probably rake in a boatload, especially exporting to places outside the reach of pomegranate like NAFTA and KORUS FTA.
Ahh, to dream...
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Rick - 2011-06-23
Takebacker Wrote:I still think that if something is going to really help change the economy to what it was pre-recession, it is this.
Therefore, do want.
You think drugs will pull you out of a recession?
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Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Takebacker - 2011-06-23
Rick Wrote:You think drugs will pull you out of a recession?
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You think reading will lead to better posts?
I said help. I didn't say this is the cure all for bad economy.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - xLeviathan - 2011-06-23
Rick Wrote:You think drugs will pull you out of a recession?
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Anything to help. It is a BIG industry with the potential to make a lot state-side.
Anyone interested, here is a better article: http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/2011/06/thurs-members-congress-introduce-historic-legislation-ending-marijuana-prohibition
Though there are plenty out there, now.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Cancambo - 2011-06-23
xLeviathan Wrote:What would REALLY help is if it was legal in many more places. We're such a huge crop nation, could you imagine exporting marijuana? That would probably rake in a boatload, especially exporting to places outside the reach of pomegranate like NAFTA and KORUS FTA.
Ahh, to dream...
Isn't marijuana illegal throughout most of the world?
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - xLeviathan - 2011-06-23
Cancambo Wrote:Isn't marijuana illegal throughout most of the world?
xLeviathan Wrote:What would REALLY help is if it was legal in many more places. We're such a huge crop nation, could you imagine exporting marijuana? That would probably rake in a boatload, especially exporting to places outside the reach of pomegranate like NAFTA and KORUS FTA.
Ahh, to dream...
Only legal in Amsterdam AFAIK.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Sarah - 2011-06-23
Takebacker Wrote:You think reading will lead to better posts?
I said help. I didn't say this is the cure all for bad economy.
Your post certainly implied it would be.
Not that I'm against the legalization of pot. I'm a supporter. But that's a pretty ridiculous idea.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Locked - 2011-06-23
xLeviathan Wrote:Only legal in Amsterdam AFAIK.
And look how well off they are.
Things are only addicting because they are restricted, it gives you a "rush".
Take a look at Europe, for example. Drinking is legal at a very young age, and you rarely see drunk people in Europe. Same thing applies here in Amsterdam, since smoking pot is legally accepted, not that many people do it.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - xLeviathan - 2011-06-23
Locked Wrote:And look how well off they are.
Things are only addicting because they are restricted, it gives you a "rush".
Take a look at Europe, for example. Drinking is legal at a very young age, and you rarely see drunk people in Europe. Same thing applies here in Amsterdam, since smoking pot is legally accepted, not that many people do it.
Weird. Drinking age is 18 in Korea yet there are drunk people ALL OVER Seoul. But I do understand what you're saying and it's true for the most part. Though, I'd enjoy it just as much if it was legal (I think).
EDIT: Y'know what, getting wasted in big groups is a big cultural deal in Korea, so yeah. It's different.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Takebacker - 2011-06-23
Sarah Wrote:Your post certainly implied it would be.
Not that I'm against the legalization of pot. I'm a supporter. But that's a pretty ridiculous idea.
No, i implied it would be a start, because the legalization of pot leads to a lot more economically stimulating things than just taxing it. It leads to a lot of jobs that literally pop up overnight as well as supply income for anyone who decides to grow it be they employed or not. On top of that, we need to pay off a ridiculous debt and i've always believed one of the best ways to do that is to actually become a supply nation again rather than just buying everything we need off of other countries. (which is a point leviathan just brought up) Exporting weed would be a hugely profitable venture if it were legal in more places.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - White - 2011-06-23
Locked Wrote:Things are only addicting because they are restricted, it gives you a "rush".
You sure about that? Not exactly sure why people need patches for nicotine addiction since smoking is legal. And on that note, what is A[lcoholics]A[nonymous] all about anyway?
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Erebus - 2011-06-23
White Wrote:And on that note, what is A[lcoholics]A[nonymous] all about anyway?
Making people more religious apparently...
On a more serious note... are people going to abuse pot if it gets made legal? Oh hell yeah, I don't think anyone would deny that but people abuse everything. Would you like to outlaw sugar and fatty by products because fat people abuse them? Neither sugar (cane sugar) or greasy fast food are a necessity and in all honesty it benefits the health of humanity, so why not outlaw it? I'd love to hear your arguments against why they should stay legal that can't also apply to things like pot.
As well, we saw what criminalizing alcohol did in the mid 1900's... it does not work.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - xLeviathan - 2011-06-23
Erebus Wrote:Making people more religious apparently...
On a more serious note... are people going to abuse pot if it gets made legal? Oh hell yeah, I don't think anyone would deny that but people abuse everything. Would you like to outlaw sugar and fatty by products because fat people abuse them? Neither sugar (cane sugar) or greasy fast food are a necessity and in all honesty it benefits the health of humanity, so why not outlaw it? I'd love to hear your arguments against why they should stay legal that can't also apply to things like pot.
As well, we saw what criminalizing alcohol did in the mid 1900's... it does not work.
This is exactly the reason we will see the repeal of the prohibition of pot. Maybe not now, but soon. They know they can't keep seriously keep putting money in the hands of the "bad guys" drug lords and cartels, just like the mafia during the alcohol prohibition. It's simply not working. What else is there to this argument? It's pretty baseless to be honest.
Sadly, even if this passed (which strangely enough some are saying it might because of the large bi-partisanship in Congress right now), I still can't smoke legally since it's illegal in NC/FL.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - KhainiWest - 2011-06-23
Relevant first 35 seconds.
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Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Duelman - 2011-06-23
Sounds like a plan. As someone who treats some of my crohn's symptoms with smoking, I support this bill as a good step towards decriminalization.
I wish this government would wake up already and realize that they have cigarettes and alcohol legal which can be and are a lot of the time worse for you than
smoking bud will ever be.
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to introduce bill calling for legalization of marijuana. - Devil - 2011-06-24
Locked Wrote:Amsterdam legalized drugs.. They're a pretty well established city.Actually it is legal to sell it (special) coffee shops in the whole of the Netherlands: Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, Eindhoven, Maastricht, Groningen, etc, etc...
http://www.amsterdam.info/drugs/
.You just have to get a certificate from the city counsel, and you're free to open a "coffee shop", though they are strongly checked by the police so nothing else happens in those shops.
It works perfectly fine, and it lowered small crime rate in The Netherlands to a point where we're even selling our prison cells to Belgium, because we have too few criminals to fill them up!
Locked Wrote:And look how well off they are.Wait, you're Dutch too Locked? I didn't even know that! :+)
Things are only addicting because they are restricted, it gives you a "rush".
Take a look at Europe, for example. Drinking is legal at a very young age, and you rarely see drunk people in Europe. Same thing applies here in Amsterdam, since smoking pot is legally accepted, not that many people do it.
The only stupid part of the Dutch Soft Drugs system, is that it's only legal to -sell- soft drugs, but it's illegal to, grow, transport and sell weed... really weird. How are the coffee shops getting their drugs then? That's the odd part, noone knows officially, but everyone knows it off the record, it's grown (illegally, yeah that part isn't legal...) by people who need some extra cash...
There are plans for regional government controlled weed grow houses, so also the production and delivery part of the system is legalized, because the current system isn't perfect. Sadly, the christian fundamentalist part of our government is stopping these legal grow houses from being build, really retarded, but ok...
I really hope for the USA that this weed-bill will pass, because it -will- cut small crime like no tomorrow. You'll be amazed how much small crime can be stopped by this.
Not legalizing drugs won't make it go away, it was tried before in the USA, when in the 1920's the USA made alcohol illegal, but it only caused an immense rise in small crime and illegal alcohol factories, that's why this was abandoned. The same should happen to marijuana, it's for the best.