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Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Kawasari Mimoto - 2008-10-11
MariaColette Wrote:I'm normally against it... however, I've been offered help from a friend of mine to let me leech off of him until I got to the level I got hacked on. In that case, I'm somewhat neutral but I'll most likely not go for it and just train my way back up there. I got up there once, I can do it again, right?
Selling leech, I'm against that. That's like paying someone to give you EXP while you sit around, really. It just looks like another reason to say that you need money to get far. :|
Question, though; I was told about doing this as well but I don't know if it counts as leeching or not. Arrow Raining on Himes to aggro them to a corner while a Bishop spams Genesis; would that count as leeching since you're not doing the actual killing or would it not since you're actually doing some kind of work?
AR'ing Himes and running to a Bishop for them to Gen is considered luring. I'd consider that a form of leeching if you're not doing the majority of the work, but then again.. if that was the case, would being in a party and not doing more damage (or gaining more EXP than your party members) be considered as leeching then..? Lol...
Honestly, it's hard to answer your question. ;x
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - FinalHeart - 2008-10-11
The person who's paying, no, it's cheap and lazy.
On the person who's getting money, it's fine.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - IcyGreenTea - 2008-10-12
I am against leeching, in any sense, unless it's your own characters you are leeching, and you know perfectly fine how to play later on when you get to higher levels. Otherwise, you are just gonna quit sooner than you would have if you didn't leech.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Loose - 2008-10-12
I think it's the same as prostitution. Unless you're doing it to yourself, then it's just masturbation. : /
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Azuma - 2008-10-13
I'm fine with leeching alltogether, buying leeching with NX is pretty much selling NX which is against NEXON ToS, which will cause you to lose your legitimacy. But, if you're paying mesos for experience, it's equal. Equivalent Exchange.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Hotshot - 2008-10-13
I'm really not a fan of leeching, but I'm kind of ok with it. I do think less of people who leech their way to higher levels, but it's not like I wouldn't be friends with them or anything. As for the people that only train when leeching someone, I also think a bit less of them, but they're inbetween normal players and people who buy the leech. There wouldn't be any sellers if there wouldn't be any buyers.
Now what I think is really sad is high leveled chars leeching. When I see a leecher that's higher-leveled than the bishop (or whatever) that is training them, I just go "ick", especially when they're from the same guild, because it feels to be like said AoE spammer is just being exploited and actually has his or her own exp rates reduced instead of increased.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Clint - 2008-10-24
It all depends on the situation. For the leecher, it's all good, in any case. For the leeched though, it depends. If you have a character that's already a higher level, I see no problem. Otherwise, they shouldn't be leeching. Also, if they have like 2x or whatever but have something really important to do, I guess that's OK. But if they just leech all the time, and they don't have a higher level character I think that's just lazy, and wrong. Leeching yourself is a great idea. If I had an AM/Bishop I'd do that for sure. In any case, it doesn't matter to me. People can play their character however they want, it doesn't make the slightest difference to me. I will get annoyed, however, if someone who just leeched all the way to 4th goes around calling people noobs. That's just stupidity.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - CryFear - 2008-11-12
It is against the rules. I quote: "Exploit the Software, Cash Items or the Service for any commercial purpose, including the provision of "power leveling" services;" take from the Terms of Use on nexon.net.
4th job mages (or any job, for that matter) that let lower level jobs leech to help them train faster without them doing anything, but only providing mesos is a SERVICE. The 4th job mages are power leveling them, and according to that, it is against the rules.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - DarkestTempest - 2008-11-12
If people leech, be my guest. I don't really give much of a damn either way. THey're the ones that are wasting money and time, and the mages get their money, so who cares.
I myself will never leech (to me, leeching is basically not doing ANY work while someone levels me, so I'm fine with mere PARTYING with 4th job mages), but you know, it's just me. I don't care enough about leechers to hold them against it.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Trystan28 - 2008-11-13
CryFear Wrote:It is against the rules. I quote: "Exploit the Software, Cash Items or the Service for any commercial purpose, including the provision of "power leveling" services;" take from the Terms of Use on nexon.net.
4th job mages (or any job, for that matter) that let lower level jobs leech to help them train faster without them doing anything, but only providing mesos is a SERVICE. The 4th job mages are power leveling them, and according to that, it is against the rules.
By "commercial purposes" I think they refer almost explicitly to people who would be paying real world currency for someone to train their character, or allow them to leech. The act of leeching itself as was stated earlier in this thread is allowed. Providing mesos is no different than providing potions, or any other trade of in game items you could come up with (Other than NX, which is illegal).
I've never been a fan of letting others do the work for you. And I don't allow leechers in my parties. I get party requests from low level players all the time in the Ant Tunnel when they see my lvl 30 Spearman Slash Blast everything in her path. I'm all for partying up, but I would expect the party members to contribute, preferably by finding a spot on the map of their own to keep the spawns going. I mean, the whole purpose of the party system isn't for half the party to be AFK and still gain EXP, it was intended for gaining extra EXP than you would in the same amount of time by yourself because EVERYONE is working together.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - MasPan - 2008-11-24
Completely against, especially where money is concerned.
-It crowds popular or lucrative training spots, which is unfair to those who may wish to actually train there.
-It allows mages to train at insane rates by funding ultimate spamming (I don't get the impression that the attacks were meant to be spammed to the exclusion of everything else when training, simply as a way to occasionally boost exp when Infinity was active)
-It presents highly unfair (double or greater exp rates) advantages to players with large amounts of money or good connections to high level players, to the point of some players being able to reach mid-3rd job in less than 3 days (note the high level pirates), while those that actually train usually take at least 2 months
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Jormungandr - 2008-11-25
[COLOR="Teal"]I personally don't mind people leeching for like a couple levels or so, especially to get through hell levels. But when people constantly ask for leeching, that pisses me off. I really don't like the people who leeched their whole third job basically. A couple levels is fine, but 30-50? Come on. there are times you can train faster then you leech.
I don't sell leeching, the only leeching I do is with a priest at newties, because HS actually gives me more exp then soloing would.[/COLOR]
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - 0mgP1r4tes - 2008-11-25
Its completely legit
And Im sorry. But most of us have already sat and "earned" a 4th job character through countless hours of grinding. I for one refuse to go through that crap again
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - modular - 2008-11-25
if people want to not play the game like it was meant to be played, ill just disrespect them with a "you silly leecher" retort.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Hazzy - 2008-11-29
Cheap, lazy, arguably immoral, but still legit. o_0
Takes the fun out of leveling, in my opinion, but it's not my call how other people enjoy the game. (to a reasonable extent :>)
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Rascal - 2009-01-02
This is the way i see it, the people who want to be leeched pay mesos, which they probably have gained from a different character. Most likely if they are paying for the leech they've already completed the lvl 12x milestone once, why do it all over again? If you proved you could do it once, why should you have to prove to do it again? Besides i know at least 95 percent of people here in their hearts if a bishop/archmage came up to them and ask if they wanted to leech a character they'd say yes.
I can't help but wonder if NEXON will catch up to this way of leeching and start putting experience points in bundles into cash shop for you to buy LOL. Just like they did with mesos.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Kawasari Mimoto - 2009-01-02
I've read a lot of responses here, some are very intriguing, some made very good points, and I've seen some rather dumb replies too. >_>; Anyways, it's been a while since I posted this thread, and leeching has gone to the point where almost everyone does it now, sadly. <_< -did not leeched to get his NL-.
Leeching's actually destroying the game though, whether it's legit at this point or not..
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - GMSInfighter - 2009-01-02
I really don't think ANYTHING is legit in this game.
Everything's become a business. People sell leech, haste, zakum helmets, HT pendants, etc. Merchanters, hackers, and KSers have ruined this game. It's just horrible that I can't train anymore!
Maple's gonna become Wall Street soon.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - ZachAttack - 2009-01-02
I think it's completely idiotic to leech, but that's just my opinion.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - bio9205 - 2009-01-02
ClawofBeta Wrote:Botting: Yes.
Regular old grinding: No.
I do think it should be a heck of a lot more expensive, though.
It's your own money...plus, when you do reach a high level, you'll probably be too lazy and quit.
My take on leeching is, the money u use to leech is ur hard-earned mesos unless u gached or something. I leeched from 90 to 100 before regular training... And i used the mesos i earned. So what i feel is that u put effort into getting ur mesos. It's just like transferring it into EXP.
GMSInfighter Wrote:Maple's gonna become Wall Street soon.
It already is...