MagicsBISH Wrote:To me: Best party is 5 mules and me as attacker. so i gain the most exp.

Char 160 Mech.
Map: CW4

clearing top and mid plat till there is max 1monster left and min. 5-6 monster on the ground.
rush ground mobs togehter and kill em.

EXP per hr with 150% CS card and HS roughly 80 mil.

Cheesecake Wrote:^ Woah that's a bit harash. Seems reasonable enough to me that a a bishop go around buffing party members, and fulfilling its role in the party, instead of the entire party halting its attack, just to go get hs/bless.
That's just my 2 cents..

Imitazion Wrote:how so?
gathering at safecenter allows people to fully buff up, rather than having each person walk around the map, to fully buff everybody.
the safecenter saves time.

Devil Wrote:Problem: HS only lasts long enough for 2 mob kills (+some extra), returning to the center of the map every 2 minutes will cost a crapload of exp... I would say around 20% per hour...

CarrionCrow Wrote:Though, you more than make up for that if the alternative is no HS at all. A non leeching ropehanger HS mule will not sap the exp either, but will still contribute to the map party bonus.

Devil Wrote:It's only HS what boosts party exp by a LOT, I can't care for HB/SE/CO at all at Lionheart party's. Sure it's nice to have, and it's a welcome -extra-, but it doesn't really boost exp and isn't really necessary to have.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:heroes too, due to the massive amount of attacking boosts

Stereo Wrote:I kept reading that the party bonus is 50% per party member but that doesn't seem to be right.

Party of 6 with HS at Bearwolves -> 52486 exp + 146905 (party exp)
Party exp is 280%.
Party of 5 (with HS, didn't kill it all) -> 32934 + 74102
Party exp is 225%.
Party of 4 -> 37420 + 63614
Party exp is 170%.

I'd heard it was +50% per party member, but it's actually 55%? Does it drop down to 115% for 3, and 60% for 2?

Also I'll note that HS does seem to give the full 50% exp bonus, despite what I read somewhere else.

Dusk Wrote:I believe in normal training locations it's +10% exp for a party of 2, +5% exp for every member after. So you'd get +30% exp for a party of 6 at ToT. The 50% stacks additively with that.

Not entirely sure if that's correct.

Stereo Wrote:I gain ~12% dps from MW32, and ~17% from SE32, on my Paladin. I can skip the HB but those two are pretty useful (then again MW32's got a 16 minute timer, so it's not that hard to keep buffed)

SI also gives me a 17% dps boost, so my Paladin is way stronger in a party with a bucc + bowman. Between them, MW + SE + SI improve my exp gain more than HS.

ultimax21 Wrote:If funded enough and when you are already killing so fast, I believe the boosts wouldn't make much of a difference to your exp to kill ratio. Of course this depends on each job, and what gears they are using, most of the people I ever party with barely care for SI, its all about their kill speed. In my server, buccs are uncommon, the most popular buffs are still MW30 + SE. Then we go on to say about map locations, I can't hope to stick a paladin at castle golems so I lost 1 buff possible unless I drop by bearwolves (rarely, because most people don't stay long enough there for me, especially bishops). We also have the heavily funded people that can easily cover for MW30, SE and HB all on their own (even though slightly weaker version from potential gears).

I still believe that the buffs are nice to have, but not nearly as essential as HS. Call it a selfish belief if you will, I suppose.

SaptaZapta Wrote:Not saying you should refuse to join a party that has no SI or CO, but totally discounting them and not bothering to get the buff when you do have a Bucc or Pally in your party, is unwise.

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:While i have higher level skills than yours, your damage range rapes mine and i'm pushing almost that on a x1 card. Think you should change your strategy

MagicsBISH Wrote:Maybe youre right, but first i have to check my real EXP/hr without much chatting lol
Oh mind telling me your range? so I can compare that too, maybe ill change my Strategie then

SaptaZapta Wrote:You have the attitude (very common among maplers) that "every monster someone else killed, instead of me, is exp loss for me", and it's right when you're fighting mobs you can 1- or 2-hit, but in LHC that is not so.

Just try getting some live party members and have them kill the top platforms, while you sweep back and forth across the bottom. If they are able to kill fast enough to keep the spawn up for you, you will get faster exp. You will still be getting at least as many kills for yourself (you might even be getting more, because you will spend more time fighting bigger crowds, rather than killing singletons and pairs up on top), plus a nice bit of exp for every mob that they kill.

Even if they are unable to kill fast enough, and you end up having to go up and help them every once in a while, you still benefit, because when you do go up there will be big crowds there for you to fight.

Try it. Worst comes to worst, you will go back to the mules.

MagicsBISH Wrote:Just to be clear i have nothing against a party. But i have something against ppl who dont follow instructions how to fight and travel around most effective in my trainingsmap. So maybe i just got bad luck, cuz partying with random ppl who dont really know what they do or dont care much is a waste of time to me.

So yea and when i solo kill a monster i need max 5 sec to kill it, climbing up to help someone is only good when there are min 2-3 monster on the plat which is not often the case because i start at the top plat (CW4) and clear it, then i clear the mid plat and ususally max 1 or very rarely (2) monster will spawn at top which doesnt matter much, because on the bottom are now 6 (5) monster.

SaptaZapta Wrote:Oh, randoms *shudder*
I know what you mean, LHC reminds me of why I used to hate CPQ so much...
In LHC, as a Hero, I really can't stand those who won't let me Rush
But, when you get a party of buddies or guildies who do cooperate... it's really awesome!