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The Archer Discussion Thread - WingZero - 2011-02-01

Punch Wrote:Great, some Archers ^^

Where are you all training right now? (Level?)

Or, what are you guys upgrading right now?

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Training at Pap and Red Dragon Turtles.

Upgrading my 15% red arzuna to a top+bottom combo. I have self-HB on here, but I don't feel that I need it. Going try for 2 seconds of invincibility on the top.


The Archer Discussion Thread - Alilatias - 2011-02-01

Currently Level 107, training at Pirate's Den 2. Arrow Rain saves my arse from KSers despite my average equips. Trying to level up at least once per day, and get to Bowmaster before March. I wonder if going to Ghost Pirates at Level 110+ is really a good idea or not. I hear they're Fire-weak, but are they really better than Pirates?

I have average equips, hahaha. Almost all of my equips are event stuff/equips that I found by myself.
- 3% DEX Rex earrings
- 3% DEX White Seraph Cape
- 6 ATK Work Glove
- 108 ATK Red Metus 3-lined with +10 DEX potential
- 17 DEX Red Arzuna 3-lined with additional +10 DEX potential
- earned my Deputy Star about two weeks ago
- a Level 17 Evolving Ring along with a Critical Ring and 2 Zombie Army Rings
- a clean Ravana Helm
- Time Traveler's Medal.

The only things I bought were the bow (for 10 mil) and the overall (for 1 mil). I'm that poor. (Come to think of it, if I actually sold my stuff, I'd actually have a lot more money... But I don't want to let go of anything.) >_>


The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-01

MariaColette Wrote:Working on getting my earrings to Unique, as well as trying to rescroll 3 line 14 ATT Archer gloves (my current ones are 2 lines). Failed a 60% yesterday, so I gotta make another pair of 3 liners. ;~;

I'm kind of waiting for LHC before training my Bowmaster again. I need to get to 160 eventually... playing my Battle Mage in the meantime. :3 But upgrading's my first priority right now.

Yeah.. also waiting for LHC, whens it coming Sad In the meantime, just Papulatus, Zakum, Scar/Targa, Anego, and CWKPQ
Bowmasters are gonna shine at LHC, because the mobs are so tough, Hurricane will compare to other mobbing moves by other classes Big Grin

I'm trying to sell my 105 + 5 Weapon Attack Dark Nisrock, which has 3 lines..
I need a better bow D:


The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-02-01

Alilatias Wrote:Currently Level 107, training at Pirate's Den 2. Arrow Rain saves my arse from KSers despite my average equips. Trying to level up at least once per day, and get to Bowmaster before March. I wonder if going to Ghost Pirates at Level 110+ is really a good idea or not. I hear they're Fire-weak, but are they really better than Pirates?

You can do it! Ghost Pirates are definitely better, I mean I got SICK of Captains/Krus on my Wild Hunter by 107, but endured them until 110. It was a blessing being in a new training area to me.

Right now I'm trying to decide... should I make a 3 Line Red Armis and scroll it for DEX or stick with my 16 DEX, 3 Line Unique (9% total all-stat) Pria? I'm a bit OCD on the looks and 16 DEX seems a bit meh. But then again, it doesn't matter all that much when I've got good potential stats... any suggestions? :I


The Archer Discussion Thread - WingZero - 2011-02-01

MariaColette Wrote:You can do it! Ghost Pirates are definitely better, I mean I got SICK of Captains/Krus on my Wild Hunter by 107, but endured them until 110. It was a blessing being in a new training area to me.

Right now I'm trying to decide... should I make a 3 Line Red Armis and scroll it for DEX or stick with my 16 DEX, 3 Line Unique (9% total all-stat) Pria? I'm a bit OCD on the looks and 16 DEX seems a bit meh. But then again, it doesn't matter all that much when I've got good potential stats... any suggestions? :I

Stick with it. I blew through 21 pairs of lvl 35 pants trying to get a 30% to land on a 3 liner....


The Archer Discussion Thread - Alilatias - 2011-02-01

MariaColette Wrote:You can do it! Ghost Pirates are definitely better, I mean I got SICK of Captains/Krus on my Wild Hunter by 107, but endured them until 110. It was a blessing being in a new training area to me.

Right now I'm trying to decide... should I make a 3 Line Red Armis and scroll it for DEX or stick with my 16 DEX, 3 Line Unique (9% total all-stat) Pria? I'm a bit OCD on the looks and 16 DEX seems a bit meh. But then again, it doesn't matter all that much when I've got good potential stats... any suggestions? :I

Hm, how much damage do Ghost Pirates dish out, anyways? I'd guess somewhere in the 900-1100 range. The real question might be how often I should expect to get hit in comparison to Captains/Krus, even with mass Puppet spam.

On a side note, I'm finding Mortal Blow to be quite useful. Before, I thought it would only trigger when you attack an enemy that already has less than 20% HP. But I've observed it triggering on monsters that had more than that before I attacked, with Mortal Blow taking their health down the rest of the way if the intial attack drops their HP below the activation threshold.

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I'd kill to have a Pria like that, hahaha. Especially if it's red or blue. Any other color and my own OCD over looks takes over. If you have the funds to re-scroll and cube a Red Armis, go right ahead. The FM should be swimming in Red Armis since Captains/Kru drop them, although finding a three-lined one is another story. I got lucky finding mine for 1 mil.

(I had a crappy Blue Armis and a decent Blue Metus before, and this Red Armis along with that regular Metus that I found later made me shift from my +10 DEX clean/unpotentialed Blue Arnah Shoes to a 7 DEX Red Arnah. >_>)

(I love the Armis/Arnah set. Some of the best looking armor in the game. Then again, all archer armor tends to look amazing in comparison to what other classes get.)


The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-02-01

Alilatias Wrote:I'd kill to have a Pria like that, hahaha. Especially if it's red or blue. Any other color and my own OCD over looks takes over. If you have the funds to re-scroll and cube a Red Armis, go right ahead. The FM should be swimming in Red Armis since Captains/Kru drop them, although finding a three-lined one is another story. I got lucky finding mine for 1 mil.

(I love the Armis/Arnah set. Some of the best looking armor in the game. Then again, all archer armor tends to look amazing in comparison to what other classes get.)

That is exactly why part of me wants to change overalls. I love looking nice without NX, despite having a permanent set. My Bowmaster has a bit of a colored theme going (thanks to the hair/goggles) and Armis is my favorite overall. Right now I've got a 3% DEX Red Hunter hat, which I'm using until I can actually afford a Chaos Zakum Helmet (I'm taking care of my other equipment first) and it looks amazing with everything else. xD But I might just ignore my OCD and stick with my Pria.

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Oh whaddayaknow, I used a Potential Scroll on a random Red Armis I had and it turned out 3 lines. o_o


The Archer Discussion Thread - Pikamemnon - 2011-02-02

Captains & Krus all the way! I know that Inferno is tons better than it used to be and that the ludi pirates are weak to fire but I dont like tanking so much damage for regular training. (around 1500 per bump I think) Maybe i'll go back there when I can kill them a lot faster.

Imma only a couple of levels away from Bow Master..


The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-02

Pikamemnon Wrote:Captains & Krus all the way! I know that Inferno is tons better than it used to be and that the ludi pirates are weak to fire but I dont like tanking so much damage for regular training. (around 1500 per bump I think) Maybe i'll go back there when I can kill them a lot faster.

Imma only a couple of levels away from Bow Master..

Don't worry about not training at DGP. I too found it's not worth the potions and occasional deaths training there >_>

When you're 120, try Spirit Vikings. Very archer-friendly map, pretty much the only one these days .-.


The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-02-02

Punch Wrote:Don't worry about not training at DGP. I too found it's not worth the potions and occasional deaths training there >_>

When you're 120, try Spirit Vikings. Very archer-friendly map, pretty much the only one these days .-.

I've never actually trained there on an Adventurer (yet), but DGPs were okay on my Wild Hunter. Not exactly a good comparison, though. xD But I have died far too many times there, so I can easily vouch for the deaths part. :x

Once Golden Temple comes out, your training woes should be over until they take it away again. :B


The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-02

MariaColette Wrote:I've never actually trained there on an Adventurer (yet), but DGPs were okay on my Wild Hunter. Not exactly a good comparison, though. xD But I have died far too many times there, so I can easily vouch for the deaths part. :x

Once Golden Temple comes out, your training woes should be over until they take it away again. :B

I have no idea where to train at Level 134 :/ I'm in El Nido, so crowded maps aren't a big deal.. because it's El Nido xD
And as for my damage.. again.. it's El Nido xP so it's not great..

I tried DGP, Spirit Vikings, all spots in Ludi really, Miner Zombies, and Bains..
Don't like any of them Tongue

Any good trainings spots that are archer friendly, many or atleast some spots to snipe mobs?
Thanks :X Hurricane training is fine with me too, just don't know where to Hurricane train..


The Archer Discussion Thread - WingZero - 2011-02-02

Punch Wrote:I have no idea where to train at Level 134 :/ I'm in El Nido, so crowded maps aren't a big deal.. because it's El Nido xD
And as for my damage.. again.. it's El Nido xP so it's not great..

I tried DGP, Spirit Vikings, all spots in Ludi really, Miner Zombies, and Bains..
Don't like any of them Tongue

Any good trainings spots that are archer friendly, many or atleast some spots to snipe mobs?
Thanks :X Hurricane training is fine with me too, just don't know where to Hurricane train..

Red/Blue Dragon Turltes and Rextons/Brextons are the only others I can think of. I heard both are pretty mobby which is good for MM, but BMs don't do too well with mobs so....


The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-03

WingZero Wrote:Red/Blue Dragon Turltes and Rextons/Brextons are the only others I can think of. I heard both are pretty mobby which is good for MM, but BMs don't do too well with mobs so....

Why do people say that, may I ask?
What do MMs have that BMs don't, mobbing wise? D:<


The Archer Discussion Thread - Avery - 2011-02-03

Punch Wrote:Why do people say that, may I ask?
What do MMs have that BMs don't, mobbing wise? D:<

Marksmen have pierce, a mob skill that does 1150% base damage. This skill multiplies its damage by 1.2 for each additional monster it hits, the damage gets larger. As far as I know, when BM kill a mob, they either use 3rd job mobbing skills or just hurricane everything.

The better mobbing is useful now, but according to some friends, Lionheart Castle has much less mobbing. BM/WH will be faster at training there until we get the latest KMS skill updates which give us 225% ultistrafe and 900% x 4 snipe on bosses.

Fun fact: Pierce is the only skill which can break damage caps because the first arrow can hit max damage, and is then multiplied by 1.2 repeatedly. On 400% buff from pyramid pq, marksmen are easily able to do 2.48 million damage on the last monster because of this.


The Archer Discussion Thread - Worthyness - 2011-02-03

early to mid 13x's could go to bains at the armory. godly spawn and flat. no sniping spots, but if you can kill them fast enough, their fireballs don't hit you.


The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-03

Avery Wrote:Marksmen have pierce, a mob skill that does 1150% base damage. This skill multiplies its damage by 1.2 for each additional monster it hits, the damage gets larger. As far as I know, when BM kill a mob, they either use 3rd job mobbing skills or just hurricane everything.

The better mobbing is useful now, but according to some friends, Lionheart Castle has much less mobbing. BM/WH will be faster at training there until we get the latest KMS skill updates which give us 225% ultistrafe and 900% x 4 snipe on bosses.

Fun fact: Pierce is the only skill which can break damage caps because the first arrow can hit max damage, and is then multiplied by 1.2 repeatedly. On 400% buff from pyramid pq, marksmen are easily able to do 2.48 million damage on the last monster because of this.

Wow. I actually didn't even know that.. wtp man Sad
L> Bowmaster mobbing skill. Why don't we get any?

Worthyness Wrote:early to mid 13x's could go to bains at the armory. godly spawn and flat. no sniping spots, but if you can kill them fast enough, their fireballs don't hit you.

I died already once at Bains try to Hurricane from left to right.. I guess I'll try again.
Am I doing anything wrong?


The Archer Discussion Thread - Worthyness - 2011-02-03

Don't walk and storm at the same time? o_O dragon pulse --> bomb + hurricane the leftovers--> repeat

Or conversely you could puppet somewhere between you and the bains and just kill them from there/snipe (not really)from the boxes. I guess it would be more suited for marksmen since they can pierce + frozen arrows.


The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-03

Worthyness Wrote:Don't walk and storm at the same time? o_O dragon pulse --> bomb + hurricane the leftovers--> repeat

Or conversely you could puppet somewhere between you and the bains and just kill them from there/snipe (not really)from the boxes. I guess it would be more suited for marksmen since they can pierce + frozen arrows.

Arrow Bomb? lolreally?


The Archer Discussion Thread - WingZero - 2011-02-03

Punch Wrote:Arrow Bomb? lolreally?
What other move do you have that can immobilize multiple enemies? Hell, I used IA to finish off mobs when I was training on Blue Dragon Turtles b/c my Pierce wasn't high enough to OHKO and Blizzard is weak against them.


The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-02-03

Punch Wrote:Arrow Bomb? lolreally?

I used Arrow Bomb + Dragon pulse (Dragon's breath for a name is booo) on Skeles, it's actually an awesome combination. It's still useful. :B Of course, this was pre-BB. I haven't trained my BM since Big Bang, all I did was CWKPQ/Pap randomly...

This makes me want to grind on my BM again before LHC even arrives, haha.