Fiel Wrote:No force on earth will make your argument less stupid, so might as well settle for mocking it.

Adramelech Wrote:look up the history of this hypocritical country and then tell me whats truely "american" and what isn't.

Alley Wrote:While I agree with you for the most part, you can't just make everyone legal. A lot of the illegal immigrants that make it to the U.S are in fact fleeing the law from their native countries. There has to be some sort of a faster screening process.

Eosian Wrote:More people equals more demand equals more opportunity for positions to fulfill the demand.

Adding to the denominator is the only way to increase the numerator in some conditions.

Example: a restaurant suddenly has double the number of patrons, it needs more servers and possibly another cook to keep up.
A grocery store has more customers, it needs more cashiers available during peak hours.

This isn't that challenging of a concept. It's win win. More traffic = more spending = more earning = more jobs.

Mute Wrote:Eos, you're forgetting that the rich want to get richer, and will do whatever is sensibly feasible to cut as many costs as possible; look at how many companies outsource jobs to other countries, or cut entire sections of dedicated-to-one-task workers to have a smaller workforce of jack-of-all-trades employees. You're ignoring the inherent flaws in any system: the human element.

Fiel Wrote:When there's too much supply of workers and not enough demand for them, it causes wages to drop as people go underemployed or unemployed. It's a race to the bottom. How much more simple can it be?

My assumption with your statements is to allow open borders - those who want to come here to work can come as they please.

Eosian Wrote:Already occurring due to off-shoring.
If here was the cheaper alternative that's work, and money, and taxes, that'd be staying within our own economy as opposed to bleeding out.

I honestly doubt there's such a thing as too many workers. The more people there are the more that can be done. Most of the people I know of who've been unemployed recently have been so because they felt the jobs available were beneath them. Immigrants tend to come willing to do anything with a dream of getting ahead and finding their niche, or even inventing new niches.

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also how many people aren't able to get jobs because they are qualified to get them? what's it take to get qualified? college diploma.

Eosian Wrote:I'm disregarding the rhetoric for facts that can actually be addressed, like this one. How many family's stories of immigrating to America involve working two or three jobs for insane hours to put self through school to get that education to get the better job to live the American Dream? Everyone starts somewhere. Saying they're unqualified for higher end jobs when they move here is essentially telling a baby they'll never be able to run because they haven't learned to crawl yet.

Mute Wrote:I wasn't talking about immigrants with that section, I was referring to the status of unemployed people here in america, many of whom are unable to get a job because they aren't "qualified enough for this position."

Devil Wrote:So please gtfo out of the United States of the Netherlands, illegal USA nabs...

Eosian Wrote:There should be no such thing as an illegal immigrant. You're here, document you and tax you. pineapple how you got here or why. Screw trying to hunt you down and deport you until you sneak in a week later.
America is an entire country of immigrants, we should stop trying to villify people because our ancestors got here before them.

We have far more pressing matters in society than trying to reject people who want to be a productive part of it.

Eosian Wrote:Can you prove that having more people coming here and working and spending wouldn't be exactly what we need to stimulate our economy rather than stagnate it because of the current policy?

Euopean countries should be able to provide us more than enough data on immigration policies and how they impact economy, being as open as they are and having so many neighbors and easy traveling between country to country.

Now if you want to concern yourself with wasted money and resources that could better be used by our own people I'd focus on all the aid we send to other nations for issues we still have at home instead of on what we lose on our neighbors. I'm also curious what welfare programs you know of that are open to illegals because all the ones I'm aware of end in deportation when their lack of citizenship is identified.

Eosian Wrote:You pansies surrendered to the British who we drove out, so you forfeit.