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Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Mute - 2011-01-17
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:And lastly, they need to disband unions. This isn't the early 20th century anymore where workers aren't protected by local, state, and federal laws. Unions now are more or less an excuse of what they were originally supposed to do which was protect worker's right. Now by comparison, they serve only to bleed companies dry and force them to pay wages that are not only unnecessarily high, but also pay for people who have already retired from the company as well. You think I'm wrong, look at GM's situation with the UAW and the retiree's GM is forced to support.
Unions are great for police and teachers, for one thing. They make sure that those in the union are treated equally, get paid a fare rate, and can't be fired without a sound reason. An example: without a union, one can be fired for disagreeing with a superior. If that person was in a union then the union'd intervene in the situation and, if the worker was in the right, they'd fight to let that person keep their job.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2011-01-17
There are certain laws that do prevent you from being fired for simple incompetency anymore. You have to be fired for an exact and valid reason or you can sue to company and either get due wages for time taken or get your job back. However, for teachers, teachers have too many benefits at times and they need to get a dose of reality themselves. Often there are too many poor quality teachers who don't care about teaching any longer and are there just for a paycheck or they were required to do it because the school didn't want to hire someone else (mainly coaches teaching general education classes). Again, why retain poor quality teachers when you can get good quality ones who love teaching and actually care more for the class then their paycheck.
Police too have issues as well, but often their unions work better than most as Internal Affairs often are disgruntled ex-beat cops who got bounced to a desk job for screwing up.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Worthyness - 2011-01-18
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:There are certain laws that do prevent you from being fired for simple incompetency anymore. You have to be fired for an exact and valid reason or you can sue to company and either get due wages for time taken or get your job back. However, for teachers, teachers have too many benefits at times and they need to get a dose of reality themselves. Often there are too many poor quality teachers who don't care about teaching any longer and are there just for a paycheck or they were required to do it because the school didn't want to hire someone else (mainly coaches teaching general education classes). Again, why retain poor quality teachers when you can get good quality ones who love teaching and actually care more for the class then their paycheck.
Police too have issues as well, but often their unions work better than most as Internal Affairs often are disgruntled ex-beat cops who got bounced to a desk job for screwing up.
That is true. My 8th grade teacher was old (but healthy enough to teach, which is/was her job), but she NEVER i repeat NEVER came to class . If she ever came to class she'd show up for 1 day max. My entire class learned more from a SUBSTITUTE. This would be means to fire her (if it were a normal job), but she'd been there so long, she had tenure and they couldn't fire her at all. instead they "transfered" her AFTER 3 years of her teaching (or lack thereof) to a desk job somewhere in the school district.
Unions need to be there to protect workers, no questions about that. But when the workers are perfectly fine, with a decent wage and full benefits already, some unions have the nerve to ask for MORE. BART union workers do this all the time. Janitors make over 80k a year just for janitorial work. the driver's make 100k. And the union STILL asks for more.
Granted that this country's taxes are high enough to take almost half that, there needs to be some common sense between both the government and the people's parts: the government shouldn't over inflate itself by expanding so much (if anything cut down to save themselves money) and the people need to know that they can't just overly screw over their jobs by demanding more in a down economy (and be willing to take a little more in taxes if necessary so that the government can get some income).
but of course, people and government are all greedy bastards and all just want more for themselves instead of looking for the nation's health. Everyone always wants more. whenever something doesn't go their way, they need more because they "deserve it". I think our solution is for everyone to compromise: the people should stop asking for more and deal with what they have as best they can, and the government needs to stop taxing and expanding up the yin yang (not completely stop, but loosen up a bit).
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Mute - 2011-01-18
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:There are certain laws that do prevent you from being fired for simple incompetency anymore. You have to be fired for an exact and valid reason or you can sue to company and either get due wages for time taken or get your job back.
Sorry, wrong. I work at an At-Will state, where I can be fired for any reason whatsoever, and there's not a damned thing I can do. It's the reason I was fired from my last job.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2011-01-18
At Will is still somewhat looked carefully over. They aren't totally exempt from scrutiny by the Department of Labor and you still can file for motions against them if you feel a need.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Mute - 2011-01-18
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:At Will is still somewhat looked carefully over. They aren't totally exempt from scrutiny by the Department of Labor and you still can file for motions against them if you feel a need.
They laughed at me.
I was going to be forced to take an unlawful 30-minute meal break (which is unpaid, btw) by my past employers, when I did not meet the required amount of time scheduled to work to deserve a 30-minute meal break. I refused throughout the night to take the break on the grounds that according to state law regarding breaks I did not deserve the break. I was not going to lose 30 minutes of pay if I didn't need to.
I was fired for insubordination.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2011-01-18
What state do you live in?
However, insubordination... unless you're boss was very unforgiving and a total tyrant he could be held liable for unlawful release from work... that is unless you were out of line and did something that was inappropriate.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Mute - 2011-01-18
New Jersey.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2011-01-18
And what was classified as "insubordination"?
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Mute - 2011-01-18
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:And what was classified as "insubordination"?
...the obvious? I was told by a manager to go on a break and I refused.
There was no argument, no voices raised, no broken objects, nor anything damaged in any way. I was told to go on a break, refused, and was told at the end of the night (or rather before the end, ~9:40 ish) to go punch out and that I was done. And I did.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2011-01-18
Yeah, I'd contact a lawyer and start some research into local and state laws regarding your termination. Chances are you could sue the hell out of them for wrongful termination.
No job can "force" you to take breaks unless required by state or local law (there is no federal law) and I'm fairly sure California is one of the only ones or one of a few that does this (mandatory 15 minute breaks every 2 hours and a 30 minute lunch break after 4 hours unless you sign off an exemption notice). I would start researching New Jersey's Worker's Rights laws regarding Breaks, Lunch Times, and other off the clock activities ASAP while you still can. Chances are, you have a case, and you might not realize it.
Not too long ago, some security firm here in California got sued by workers getting docked pay for lunch times each day even if they didn't take it. The state ruled in favor of the workers and all received monetary compensation for time and pay they lost.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Piggy 2.0 - 2011-01-18
This...is depressing.
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - Mute - 2011-01-18
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:Yeah, I'd contact a lawyer and start some research into local and state laws regarding your termination. Chances are you could sue the hell out of them for wrongful termination.
No job can "force" you to take breaks unless required by state or local law (there is no federal law) and I'm fairly sure California is one of the only ones or one of a few that does this (mandatory 15 minute breaks every 2 hours and a 30 minute lunch break after 4 hours unless you sign off an exemption notice). I would start researching New Jersey's Worker's Rights laws regarding Breaks, Lunch Times, and other off the clock activities ASAP while you still can. Chances are, you have a case, and you might not realize it.
Not too long ago, some security firm here in California got sued by workers getting docked pay for lunch times each day even if they didn't take it. The state ruled in favor of the workers and all received monetary compensation for time and pay they lost.
I know the law regarding the breaks well enough, they are required to be viewed in open and clear view in the workplace.
If an employee is scheduled to work 6 hours, they are required an unpaid 30-minute meal break. If they are scheduled 7 hours they are required 2 paid 15-minute breaks. I was scheduled 5:30 that day, not 6, but Target holds their in-store employees after the store is closed to tidy up the store, and align items on the shelves. I was a "cart attendant," and as was confirmed by the then Human Resources once my core responsibilities were finished I was allowed to leave. This was argued left and right that I had to wait for supervisor approval to be allowed to leave (clock out for the night to clarify) before everyone else. To keep the peace I entertained this notion.
I would pursue legal action... if it weren't that I was fired from there in february/march of last year, and have been on unemployment since then, and in June I ship out to basic training for the navy. It's not worth my time now to do it, and when I confronted my mother and grandmother about it last year they had told me to instead "find something else if they were going to fire you over something stupid like that."
Record $14 trillion-plus debt weighs on Congress - octopusprime - 2011-01-18
Hazzy Wrote:4.7% unemployment in 2006. 9.4% now.
The economy was very different. After the recession, I'll be right next to you in demanding reductions in government spending and the deficit/debt. Until then, the government needs to employ expansionary policies.
Ultimately, what's worse? A lethargic / shrinking economy or a large debt? The effects of an extreme recession can be seen by looking at the world in the early 1930s, but what proof is there that a large debt will cause anything even close to that?
Yeah, you shouldnt need anything but to look up the definition of doward spiral and have a global econ textbook thrown at you.
Americas financial situation isn't new suprising or unpredicted. IMO the coldest hardest truth is that we have too damn many useless people and a ludacris degree of disproportion of wealth. we don't just have rich middle poor, we have rich, super rich never, worry about money again rich, couldn't spend this in my life if i tried rich, and so rich i act like a normal person because i couldnt think of anything else to do with this pineappleing money rich; then there is upper lower and regular middle class, welfare, poor, in debt, really in debt, and the government. The way that this situation has corrected itself in the past was rolling heads a la french revolution, the thing is as far as america go the citizens v. government fight highly favours the damn government.
America, f'uck yeah.
Hazzy Wrote:You are counted in unemployment numbers if you have held or looked for a job in the past 6 months, but do not hold one now.
Technically yes, actually no.