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Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - yoosergio - 2010-10-14
Loose Wrote:They're corrupt, they're a joke, nobody trusts them. They don't do s'hit. You ask anyone about them and they'll laugh.
We just switched mayors this past weekend, the past mayor lived in El Paso, TX. He didn't even live in Mexico. He didn't do anything good during his stay, nobody liked him.
Sometimes the police are worse than the cartels, they will sometimes stop you for no reason and ask for bribe.
The soldiers set up checkpoints(?) along streets sometimes. If they see anyone suspicious, they're supposed to stop and check them out. But they're too afraid to stop the real threats and we're the ones that end up getting stopped and check. It's happen to me twice, both times I was riding with my friends. We had to stop out of the vehicle, empty our pockets and put them along with our hands on top of the trunk. They then proceeded to check out everything, including pictures we had on our cell phones. It was just a waste of time and invasion of privacy.
dude, where are you from? :/
Satellite Wrote:I'm sure it would scary as hell to live in US or Mexico for me. Everyone has a gun= every guy at the street can kill me. It's such a lottery and it scares the hell out of me.
Good thing I live in Finland, best country in the world.
Awesome! Mexico is #45
! Better than argentina! xDD lolSarah Wrote:Thanks for that amazingly insightful post, Yoosergio.
You're welcome
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Corn - 2010-10-14
Satellite Wrote:I'm sure it would scary as hell to live in US or Mexico for me. Everyone has a gun= every guy at the street can kill me. It's such a lottery and it scares the hell out of me.
Good thing I live in Finland, best country in the world.
You must watch a lot of movies if you think the US is violent.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Loose - 2010-10-14
yoosergio Wrote:dude, where are you from? :/Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua. Where are you from?
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - rayhovite - 2010-10-15
Corn Wrote:You must watch a lot of movies if you think the US is violent.
Or maybe some of us track how many crimes occur in the US. There are enough to make Mexico look safe at times.
Or try reading the wikileaks on Afghanistan. US aint no better, even on the military scale.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-10-15
Satellite Wrote:I'm sure it would scary as hell to live in US or Mexico for me. Everyone has a gun= every guy at the street can kill me. It's such a lottery and it scares the hell out of me.
Good thing I live in Finland, best country in the world.
Darn. Singapore's #20.
Whatever. We have better health and economic dynamism.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - MorbidMagus - 2010-10-15
Corn Wrote:You must watch a lot of movies if you think the US is violent.
In some cities of the US it can be very violent. In my Sister's city it's not uncommon to find someone shot dead on the street. Especially where gangs/poverty are very common.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - DeanNim - 2010-10-15
MorbidMagus Wrote:In some cities of the US it can be very violent. In my Sister's city it's not uncommon to find someone shot dead on the street. Especially where gangs are very common.
in singapore, guns are not allowed. thats how pro we are. lifes not a gamble here,other than the gangster group who uses parangs and chase you down.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-10-15
DeanNim Wrote:in singapore, guns are not allowed. thats how pro we are. lifes not a gamble here,other than the gangster group who uses parangs and chase you down.
Correction:
Other than the RARE gang that uses parangs.
So far, I've only seen gangs that fight hand-to-hand or use penknives.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Satellite - 2010-10-15
Corn Wrote:You must watch a lot of movies if you think the US is violent.But literally everyone has gun in US? How is it safe then?
There's very strict rules on who can have gun and who cannot in Finland. In my opinion guns should just stay in army, police and shooting areas. Seriously, no one uses handgun for hunting.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Rob - 2010-10-15
Satellite Wrote:But literally everyone has gun in US? How is it safe then?
Uhm, no. Really no.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Adramelech - 2010-10-15
Satellite Wrote:But literally everyone has gun in US? How is it safe then?
There's very strict rules on who can have gun and who cannot in Finland. In my opinion guns should just stay in army, police and shooting areas. Seriously, no one uses handgun for hunting.
I have to dissagree, suppose the government wants to mess with the people and opress them using force, if you don't have the means by which to defend yourself then you're SOL and JWF.
I'm looking to get multiple guns to store at home incase of war/revolution/whatever else you can think of.
I'm going to get atleast two fully automatic guns , 2 handguns and a rifle.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Loose - 2010-10-15
Satellite Wrote:But literally everyone has gun in US? How is it safe then?You're heavily misinformed. Of course every place in the world has their share of dangerous cities, but it's a relatively safe country. When I cross over there, it feels great being able to walk on the street, not needing to open and close four doors to get inside a house and not worrying when some strange car is parked across the street.
MorbidMagus Wrote:In some cities of the US it can be very violent. In my Sister's city it's not uncommon to find someone shot dead on the street. Especially where gangs/poverty are very common.Over here you're really confused when around 10 murders don't occur in a day. We just say that the killers took the day off or something.
Warning, very graphic pictures (dead people in the street). For those that don't want to click the link:
Quote:A total of 1,700 gangland killings occurred in the northern Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez during the first seven months of the year, a figure that was up 47.6 percent from the same period in 2009, when 1,150 people were murdered, officials and press reports said.And here's the biggest problem. I don't really see those numbers going down, decreasing. I think they'll just keep escalating.
The January-July 2010 figure includes 18 murders that occurred over the weekend in Mexico’s murder capital.
Ciudad Juarez, located across the border from El Paso, Texas, is the scene of a war for control of smuggling routes between the Juarez and Sinaloa drug cartels.
Fifteen people, including two women, were murdered in the border city on Saturday.
Three other people were killed on Sunday, Chihuahua state prosecutors said.
July ended as the second-most-violent month of 2010 in the border city, with 291 homicides, or an average of eight per day, being registered.
June ranks as the most violent month of the year, with 313 homicides, followed by May, with 262; March, with 240; January, with 227; April, with 205; and February, with 163.
Ciudad Juarez, where nearly 6,000 people have been murdered since 2008, has been plagued by drug-related violence for years.
The murder rate took off in the border city of 1.5 million people in 2007, when 310 people were killed, then it more than tripled to 1,607 in 2008, according to state AG’s office figures, with the number of killings climbing to 2,635 last year.
Ciudad Juarez, with 191 homicides per 100,000 residents, was the most violent city in the world in 2009, registering a higher murder rate than San Pedro Sula, San Salvador, Caracas and Guatemala, two Mexican non-governmental organizations said in a report released earlier this year.
Some 25,000 people have died in drug-related violence since President Felipe Calderon declared war on Mexico’s cartels shortly after taking office in December 2006.
More than 7,000 gangland killings have occurred so far this year in Mexico, Attorney General Arturo Chavez Chavez said last month.
The death toll for all of 2009 was 7,724.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Sarah - 2010-10-15
Loose Wrote:You're heavily misinformed. Of course every place in the world has their share of dangerous cities, but it's a relatively safe country. When I cross over there, it feels great being able to walk on the street, not needing to open and close four doors to get inside a house and not worrying when some strange car is parked across the street.
Whoa, tell us more about this. Specifically, what sort of things are people to doing in an attempt to protect themselves? Is there any sort of curfew or does it not matter because the cartels will abduct/kill you at any time of the day?
Man, 191 in 100,000 is almost 1 in 500. That's huge.
Aren't you living with your grandparents now?
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - KhainiWest - 2010-10-15
Wow how ironic. At work I work with taxpayers and help fix up/inform about accounts/filing tax returns. I had this portugal women ranting on the phone about this incident referred by sarah. Then she went on how the media is racist because they only focus on "American affiliated" scenarios (Mexico being connected to america is what I'm assuming she meant) and that portugal is 100x worse.
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Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Deific - 2010-10-15
I'm kind of glad I came across this thread. A couple months ago, my cousin and a few of my mother's coworkers were held hostage for about two weeks by "Los Zetas" and my family, and the company/other families paid over 150,000$ dollars just for them to be set free. They were there for business, and all their belongings and merchandise were stolen. I just spoke to my parents, and they both say Ciudad Juarez is by far the most dangerous place in Mexico. Oh, and my mom's boss didn't notify the police at Mexico because almost all of them are corrupt. This happened in Reynosa, Mexico. Another dangerous city, but not as bad as Ciudad Juarez(according to my parents.)
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Stereo - 2010-10-15
Hey Loose, if more drugs were made legal in America do you think that would make it a safer place? It was my impression that drug running is a big reason it's so dangerous around there, but I don't really know.
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Loose - 2010-10-16
Sarah Wrote:Whoa, tell us more about this. Specifically, what sort of things are people to doing in an attempt to protect themselves? Is there any sort of curfew or does it not matter because the cartels will abduct/kill you at any time of the day?Some house have a lot of doors, barred doors, barred fences, barb wire, dogs, etc. Just like these. Here's Google Maps street view of where I used to live.
No, there is no curfew or anything like that because the time of day doesn't matter anymore. It could be at high noon, it could be during the night time, it could be on the busiest street during rush hour.
Sarah Wrote:Aren't you living with your grandparents now?I stay with my grandparents in Juarez during the weekdays because of school. I head over to El Paso on the weekends with my family.
Stereo Wrote:Hey Loose, if more drugs were made legal in America do you think that would make it a safer place? It was my impression that drug running is a big reason it's so dangerous around there, but I don't really know.That's hard to tell, because drugs aren't really a big factor now, but who knows, I don't work for any of these cartels. It's like they went from drugs to protection racket to kidnappings to murders, because the government doesn't do anything. The thing I'd really like is for those super soldier agency of elite bad ass mercenaries to come here and take out all of the bad guys. I don't remember the exact details, but I think it was around a year ago that that agency offered their services to the Mexican government, though they would work on their own without intervention of the government and offered a hefty price. Of course, the corrupt ass government we had denied their offer...
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Sarah - 2010-10-17
Loose Wrote:Some house have a lot of doors, barred doors, barred fences, barb wire, dogs, etc. Just like these. Here's Google Maps street view of where I used to live.Wow, that's like being in prison. Except worse. You'd probably get treated better in prison and have to fear dying less.
Quote:No, there is no curfew or anything like that because the time of day doesn't matter anymore. It could be at high noon, it could be during the night time, it could be on the busiest street during rush hour.Have you ever been witness to anything like this? I know you hear it all of the time but have you ever actually seen anything like this? What was it like as a child, here?
Quote:I stay with my grandparents in Juarez during the weekdays because of school. I head over to El Paso on the weekends with my family.
I understand that your family has built a life in Mexico but I'm confused as to why they continue to stay. Are they inelligible to become US citizens? Are they just being stubborn? Do you only go back BECAUSE they're there or is it because your girlfriend is still there (and if so, why is she still there?)
Quote:That's hard to tell, because drugs aren't really a big factor now, but who knows, I don't work for any of these cartels. It's like they went from drugs to protection racket to kidnappings to murders, because the government doesn't do anything. The thing I'd really like is for those super soldier agency of elite bad ass mercenaries to come here and take out all of the bad guys. I don't remember the exact details, but I think it was around a year ago that that agency offered their services to the Mexican government, though they would work on their own without intervention of the government and offered a hefty price. Of course, the corrupt ass government we had denied their offer...
What would you say the ratio of "innocent" citizens (by this I mean ones who aren't involved with all of the above mentioned things) to the corrupt is? It seems like there's a point where you need to take a stand and fight back to get some control over your country and your life. Has anyone attempted a civil movement?
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - MorbidMagus - 2010-10-17
Loose Wrote:Over here you're really confused when around 10 murders don't occur in a day. We just say that the killers took the day off or something.
That...just sounds awful.
My family has lived far from my sister since we got to the US, in a relatively safe, city where poverty/violence is very low. I find it hard just dealing with the daily teenage stuff just dealing with high school exams, getting into the college I want, and fitting in my school when I barely know anyone(and you're often labeled as an outcast when you move to a new town, let alone country). Living life with all the usual stresses + having to watch your ass like that sounds like a crappy way to live. Perhaps I'm just too easily stressed though ;c
Tell us about Mexico, Loose. - Loose - 2010-10-17
Sarah Wrote:Have you ever been witness to anything like this? I know you hear it all of the time but have you ever actually seen anything like this? What was it like as a child, here?I've heard a couple of gunshots during the nights, which I assumed have been murders reported the next day. The closest I've come to actually seen is a van pierced with bullets, splattered with some blood and a bloody arm hanging out.
My childhood wasn't bad, I spent evenings/early nights playing hide and seek, soccer, tag, whatever with the local kids outside, nothing too dangerous. It wasn't that bad. Things just turned bad about 3 - 4 years ago, and it got worse about two years ago.
Sarah Wrote:I understand that your family has built a life in Mexico but I'm confused as to why they continue to stay. Are they inelligible to become US citizens? Are they just being stubborn? Do you only go back BECAUSE they're there or is it because your girlfriend is still there (and if so, why is she still there?)My parents and family are living in the USA (El Paso is in Texas). I'm the stubborn one, wanting to finish my last year of college in Juarez, with my friends. My girlfriend's family is moving to El Paso (Texas) this week, but like me, we'll continue studying in Mexico.
Sarah Wrote:What would you say the ratio of "innocent" citizens (by this I mean ones who aren't involved with all of the above mentioned things) to the corrupt is? It seems like there's a point where you need to take a stand and fight back to get some control over your country and your life. Has anyone attempted a civil movement?I don't think it'd be very effective to do something like that. It's just not worth it anymore, it's hard to say what would happen. There's too much fear because of what has happened to people that have tried changing stuff. I mean, just look at that detective in your first post, his head was handed to the military in a briefcase. Nobody wants to end up like that.
