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I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Printable Version +- Southperry.net (https://www.southperry.net) +-- Forum: Maplestory (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=15) +--- Forum: World Forums & Marketplace (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=37) +--- Thread: I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= (/showthread.php?tid=2777) |
I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Magus - 2008-09-24 Slashermills2 Wrote:while at the same time glaring at the I/L mage knowing all I/L Mages suck and KS anyone they can because they lack intellectual training ;3 =P (I/L hate here =D)Please do not troll these forums. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Slashermills2 - 2008-09-26 Magus Wrote:Please do not troll these forums.Don't get mad because us F/P aren't bandwagoned like Ice is since it takes a REAL man/woman to last with a F/P but anyone can make it as an I/L Also Katz it took you a Month to come in here I'm not Trolling these forums Just because I stated an opinion of disliking I/L Mages doesn't mean I'm trolling especially when the topic points out that I was being KSed by one that was higher leveled than me I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - snowie72 - 2008-10-10 Haha, I know her. Shes cool, and RePlay guild owns! =D Although HH is free for all, no matter what anyone says. I had to tolerate people KSing me for a year, so why should you be any different? I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - psychopat - 2008-10-10 snowie72 Wrote:Although HH is free for all, no matter what anyone says.If it just spawned, sure. If I've been fighting it for 2 minutes before you walk in and KS it, that makes you an ass. (and I'm not using "you" to mean specifically you, I mean anyone) Quote:I had to tolerate people KSing me for a year, so why should you be any different?Then you know how it feels. Why stoop to other people's level? Two wrongs don't make a right. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Findings - 2008-10-10 Bosses don't belong to anyone regardless of the amount of time anyone has been there. Learn to share. The bosses that are FFA have open, non instanced maps for a reason. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - psychopat - 2008-10-10 Findings Wrote:Bosses don't belong to anyone regardless of the amount of time anyone has been there. Learn to share. The bosses that are FFA have open, non instanced maps for a reason.I find the part I bolded extremely funny. Paraphrased, I said: "If I found it, it's mine. If we were both there, FFA. If you found it, I won't steal it from you" Paraphrased, you said: "I'm going to take it, no matter what the circumstances." ... and you're telling ME to learn to share? Hah! I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Findings - 2008-10-10 I found your entire response funny because you're so childish that you think someone helping you kill a boss is "taking it from you." I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - IsaacGS - 2008-10-11 KSing is KSing regardless of whether it's a boss or not. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Findings - 2008-10-11 That's incorrect, bosses are a special case due to the fact that they have (long) spawn times. Bosses that aren't meant to be FFA have doors blocking people from entering, while those that are for everybody to fight let anybody in. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - IsaacGS - 2008-10-11 Findings Wrote:That's incorrect, bosses are a special case due to the fact that they have (long) spawn times. Bosses that aren't meant to be FFA have doors blocking people from entering, while those that are for everybody to fight let anybody in.Guess you wouldn't mind if a bunch of people came in and started KSing your Pianus then? I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Findings - 2008-10-11 IsaacGS Wrote:Guess you wouldn't mind if a bunch of people came in and started KSing your Pianus then? I don't mind when they do, no. I wish Pianus wasn't FFA, but it's not my choice to make. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Kabanaw - 2008-10-11 Slashermills2 Wrote:Don't get mad because us F/P aren't bandwagoned like Ice is since it takes a REAL man/woman to last with a F/P but anyone can make it as an I/L Man, what do you have against I/Ls? It's not like every single one of us is a KSer. Besides, I view I/Ls and F/Ps as a team, "The Least Liked Duo in Maple." Besides, you guys don't have it that bad. You guys have the best 3rd job exp. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - MariettaRC - 2008-10-11 Findings Wrote:I found your entire response funny because you're so childish that you think someone helping you kill a boss is "taking it from you." They pretty much are if they're just coming in to take the loot you've been trying to fight for. KSing is KSing, boss or not. Sure, it's FFA but that doesn't mean people should throw respect out the window and KS any boss that someone else is obviously fighting. A friend of mine spent days trying to get a drop from a boss (Mushmom, for the spore needed for that one quest) and he eventually gave up because people kept coming in while he either waited or was killing and took everything that dropped. I had to come with him to fend off KSers and kill with him in case people didn't oblige to give him a damn chance to get what he needed. To the TS; Grats on winning that, must be rewarding when someone fails to steal from you.
I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - IsaacGS - 2008-10-11 Findings Wrote:I don't mind when they do, no. I wish Pianus wasn't FFA, but it's not my choice to make.That's a pretty bold faced lie. Anyone would be cursing at their computer screen when people come in and disrupt their boss fights, even you. If it's going to anger you then it's clearly not appropriate behavior on their part, is it? Headless horseman is probably the single worst boss to make your little argument against, because it spawns in about 8 maps and there's pretty much a 100% chance that more than one is present at any given time. In that case you're disrupting their boss fight out of laziness and greed rather than some alleged free-for-all policy that has never been stated. Regardless of how it's intended by the creators, a purpose we can't hope to guess, it is still flat out pineappleing rude to start attacking something that someone else is already fighting, regardless of the monster's status as a boss or not. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Alloy - 2008-10-11 Just today, I found an odd situation. I found a hh, and started to kill it. Shortly after, a chief bandit comes in, and starts ksing. To my surprise, he dies after the first hit. "ok, he must be a lv 7x". I proceed. He keeps coming and diying, with me confused like hell. Then, I see he decides to go for the second option: Meso Explosion. He goes on DS, and starts to drop mesos. Then, he gets near me, and says: "Lure him to the mesos so I can bomb it F2" I was so confused that didn't know what to do. therefore... COUNTER ATTACK. I got near to trigger hh's attack, and hit him while on DS. Dead. I use my tactic of leaving map/reenter to stop hh from attacking me. And then, I see his money. I felt bad, but it was ammo for that guy as soon as he got back. Surprisingly, he only dropped 4 bags of 5k. It was like an odd dream. Then, the guy comes back, and... HE STARTS TO ASK FOR MONEY. I don't know what I'd have done, but the headless horseman died just then. No drops, though. And then, I check his level. 112. OK, total confusion here. The only possible normal thing is that he was making a prank, but couldn't think of that in that moment, brain overwhelmed by the wtp factor. Shortly after, I find another CB, using exactly Meso explosion. And some people on the platform up there. So I join them on the chat. The KS factor is only determined by if you mind about annoying the crap out of others, or how important is exp for you. Sincerely, I think that if you know someone can get pissed and you yet do whatever the pineapple you want, you are simply an arse. And in my example, the lv 112 guy probably was just messing with me, and even though I lost around 20k of the exp, it was one of the most fun moments I had in maple. Totally worth that 20k exp. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Findings - 2008-10-11 MariaColette Wrote:They pretty much are if they're just coming in to take the loot you've been trying to fight for. The person that is in the map first deserves the loot just as much as anyone else. What you do personally when you see someone killing a boss you want to kill is your own choice. It doesn't have a thing to do with respect, but if you tell someone that they have less of a choice than you do, that would be obvious disrespect. You use a horribly biased example. Another example just as biased would be someone who plays casually and has been looking for a Pianus to kill for months so that he can get his level 20 SE book. He finally finds one being killed by a level 100 DK that is missing, and people in this topic would say that he is being an "pimento" for wanting to get his 4th job skill that year. IsaacGS Wrote:That's a pretty bold faced lie. Anyone would be cursing at their computer screen when people come in and disrupt their boss fights, even you. If it's going to anger you then it's clearly not appropriate behavior on their part, is it? I don't get this unjustified anger that you speak of, no. Get over yourself, you can't tell people what emotions they have. I don't like it when people kill me with bombs at Pianus, and prefer not to be, but it would make no sense for me to get angry at people that have no control over whether the boss is FFA, and are simply playing the game the way it is. If I didn't want the risk of having my bosses killed, I wouldn't even go to them in the first place. What you say about Headless is true sometimes, like not during peak hours, but it isn't always. If you have a normal sleep schedule and have little choice but to kill the first one you find, which may or may not be in an empty map, there's nothing wrong with wanting to get a head before you go to sleep. The GMs don't need to go out of their way to state every obvious thing, especially when it is implied many times over. Pressing ESC, enter, right arrow, and enter, doesn't have a thing to do with how lazy or greedy a person is, I can't even believe you could be so self-righteous to say something like that. It being rude is your flawed perception of it. You only feel that way because you are egotistical and saying "what he did was wrong! however, I, by pressing the ESC, up arrow, and enter keys, am doing what is just and fair :]" gives you a false sense of superiority. You, I, or anyone else that will typically change channels when they find a boss already being killed are not better than anyone who does otherwise. The person in Alloy's post is a perfect example of someone who just wants the boss to be killed (bosses exist to be killed, unlike infinitely spawning normal monsters) and enjoy doing it. If someone is tracking you and following you to each and every boss that you go to, you could call it being an ass, but unless something very specific like that occurs, you can't judge people so quickly. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Heidi - 2008-10-11 Findings Wrote:You use a horribly biased example. Another example just as biased would be someone who plays casually and has been looking for a Pianus to kill for months so that he can get his level 20 SE book. He finally finds one being killed by a level 100 DK that is missing, and people in this topic would say that he is being an "pimento" for wanting to get his 4th job skill that year. I'm sure that happens sometimes, but I doubt that there would be many of them. Wouldn't it just be best to leave them be? They'll get sick of it eventually, and they'll leave it and somebody can kill it when they do. No point trying to force them out. If they can survive there, let them have their fun if they got there first. There could have been another high level person there anyway, meaning that you couldn't have had it anyway. Why should levels be rights? (Though I would never agree with people there just to loot) I don't think that a person can claim a boss before it has spawned. Meaning that saying "cc plz" at a map where a boss will spawn is something that I don't agree with. Once it has spawned though, people walking in and killing it if another person is is just plain rude. Yeah, okay, Nexon made it so that people could do that. But it's really just treating others how you want to be treated. I sometimes hunt snowman miniboss. I don't like it when another person walks in and instead of leaving, they KS me. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - psychopat - 2008-10-11 I can't believe you're actually trying to justify this, Findings... Her example wasn't horribly biased, it was a regular example that has happened to tons of people, myself included with my 57 mule. And yes, your counterexample would make the guy an ass too. It's not hard to either ask the DK or wait until he leaves. "I don't play much" is not a free pass to mean you shouldn't have to put less effort than anyone else for equal returns. Also, just btw, the Misconduct clause in the ToS and on Nexon's site doesn't make a special exception for KS'ing bosses. You're doing that because it happens to suit you. Everyone with common sense can see that your "I want to see the boss dead!" excuse is complete bull. You want to steal the exp and the drops from the other guy. If snails gave the same exp and drops, you can bet that 99% of the time, that fish would go unkilled. And finally, being a decent person isn't about a sense of superiority. If you can't see that, then there's no point arguing with you because you'll never get it. I hope you run into lots of people like-minded in your gaming or, even better, in real life (although I doubt that most of the KSers act the same in real life because you don't have the anonymity of the computer screen to hide behind) I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - Retalion - 2008-10-11 Findings Wrote:The person that is in the map first deserves the loot just as much as anyone else. I think you're being too technical here. Yes, these bosses are free for all, but MOST people would leave, leading that to be the norm so that when people dont relinquish this "right" of theirs, then people become appalled. You're right. In theory, if the boss wasn't closed off, then "anyone should be able to kill it". I dont know about you, but I myself, seeing someone at a boss would just go look for another one short of them saying something rude such as "cc plz" (yes I find that rude >_>) or "its mine, gtfo". They were there first, I'll let them kill it. You're right: In technicality, I have every right to attack that boss as much as you do. The difference is I choose not to and as do most people I know. In your scenario of the 100 dk being at pianus, what I'd do is ask him if he wanted to help and if he said yes, I'd party him and help him kill it and in return, split the drops with him or whatnot. If he didnt, I'd leave. Yes someone else might end up ksing him, but that's not my issue, I did my part. Once I saw a 11x sniper with 6/9 puppet killing HH and there were none on the other channels (this was before CWK) so I just sat there and watched and gave him level 9 SE (which isnt much but helped nontheless) every few minutes to help him kill faster. It took him roughly 10 minutes to kill it and if I were to ks him, I'd definitely have been able to do so but I chose not to and helped him instead. I think I've seen Heidi (the girl a few posts up) at Snowman before in Scania (I remember most people I run into, mainly because she sold me apples once when I was contemplating immigration... least I think that was you... sorry if it wasnt) and she was killing it so I just left. I think afterwards, there was a channel in which we both landed at roughly the same time and by the time I got to the bottom (I really have no idea, server lag always makes you appear right), we just both attacked it and "ksed" each other. If two people get to it at the same time, I have no problems with it but what you're trying to say is a bit meh. The ign in your info bar on the side doesnt exist on rankings so i have no idea what level you really are but it says hunter so I'll assume you arent aware or involved with "elite politics", which also plays a factor into this. Yes, these bosses are free for all, but that doesnt stop one guild from ksing the other because someone "ksed their anego" or something. The guild "ksing" could argue that its free for all, but that wont prevent the guild that "got ksed" from starting a ks war at skeles or newties or something. Perhaps its just a Scania thing, perhaps its trans-server, I dont know but Im just saying that's how it works. Back in the day, you can stay in the altar for hours on end because there was no timer before/after it. Can we say "Nexon made zakum without a timer so people can hold it so no one else can zak and they can monopolize Z-helm prices and keep them at 200 mill a piece"? You tell me. Finding HH has nothing to do with your sleep sched, dont go around saying "If you have a normal sleep schedule" nonsense because it's not true. People live all over the world, people sleep at different times, it's just the way things work. I agree that "we who dont ks other people's bosses are not superior in any way" but at the same time, that doesnt mean we're looking down on you with disdain. We're not out to get you, we're merely voicing our opinions. It is somewhat hypocritical that you insist and call Isaac (and others) egotistical for thinking that their way of looking at it is right when the basis of you calling them egotistical (that theirs is the only right way, at least you perceive to be so) is that they dont agree with you. I see this thread getting locked soon so I'll just end it there but Findings, if you want to discuss on the matter further elsewhere, Im up for it. There are quite a few flaws in your reasoning as countless people have stated here. I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D= - IsaacGS - 2008-10-11 Findings Wrote:The person that is in the map first deserves the loot just as much as anyone else.Don't you think the fact that everyone is arguing against you should tell you a little something about your viewpoint here? Socially, in game, it is considered rude to start attacking a monster that someone else is attacking. It doesn't matter if it's a level 10 beginner fighting a green snail or a level 200 fighting Anego, they were there first, and if you even have the tiniest bit of respect for your fellow players you will not disrupt their playing of the game. By attacking that boss, or snail, or whatever it is that they are fighting, you are showing an extreme amount of rudeness and disrespect. Wouldn't telling the person who has already been killing this boss for 10-15 minutes "TOO BAD FFA" be depriving them of the choice to get their items? In your little DK example up there, it really comes down to whether they're capable of actually defeating the boss. A level 50 Spearman could easily take any hit that HH has to dish out, but that doesn't mean he can kill it. If a 100 DK can't hit it enough to get over the HP regen then he obviously doesn't stand a chance of killing it. These kinds of people usually request help when they're coming in. Besides the fact that a 12x archer couldn't survive pianus attacks and hunting for SE 20 at that level is horribly inefficient, and that there are very few casual players who actually go to bosses, which pretty much renders the whole scenario moot, that DK would inevitably get bored or annoyed with messing with that Pianus. "FFA" is an excuse used solely by greedy, rude, disrespectful people who are only interested in their own benefit of the scenario. They attack the boss to steal the drops, they attack it to sap the EXP, but for no reason do they ever do it for a good motive. It is purely out of a selfish desire to benefit. It's pretty rare that anyone actually "needs" something from a boss. Even when they do, it's normally not something that actually requires them to KS to get. I have a good example of this in the Bosshunter armor. To create bosshunter Helmet, I needed a Tengu nose. Rather than go around and KS people who are already fighting it just because I need something, I politely ask them for the nose, should it drop. They always agree; after all, it's not something they need, and I don't have to bother them. If anyone ever needs a Headless Horseman head, I will gladly do the same. Quests are pretty much the only time when you actually need to participate in the slaying of the boss, and the only bosses which are actually required are Area Bosses, with relatively short spawn times, and Pianus, where you can simply be partied and wait outside the door until it dies to get the item you need. All of these examples require a mere request on the part of the newcomer to the person already here rather than inciting conflict by blindly and greedily diving into battle. KSing is inherently rude, because it displays a lack of respect and common courtesy. How can you say that these rules apply to one set of monsters and not another? It is not in some way "Egotistical" to not want to ruin someone's fun. People who do go around and deliberately use this little "FFA" argument to justify their KSing are not the kind of people most want to associate with. If they do it to the wrong person, then they'll probably find themselves harassed. Naturally someone under this "FFA" ideology would avoid these people in the big guilds to not get harassed. So why is it only fair for people who aren't in big guilds to get harassed? It isn't. Oh yeah, not to mention that KSing of any kind is against the ToS, so the FFA argument is disestablished there. |