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I've been wondering... - Fiel - 2008-07-02
wobbufet Wrote:"Strikes another, far deadlier blow..." I suppose it's supposed to be used as a finishing move, but yes it does imply that it's stronger.
It IS stronger if you also include the added speed boost from FA.
I've been wondering... - wobbufet - 2008-07-02
Fiel Wrote:It IS stronger if you also include the added speed boost from FA.
Hmm yeah, you could look at it that way :p Although I don't really think about speed when I'm thinking about strength... that might just be my opinion o.o
I've been wondering... - xDae - 2008-07-02
From my years in this game, I have learned this much:
Bowman FA = fail
Warrior FA = win
I've been wondering... - wobbufet - 2008-07-02
xDae Wrote:From my years in this game, I have learned this much:
Bowman FA = fail
Warrior FA = win
Yeah that's what I've learned too, but I decided to question it anyway
I'm just stubborn like that
I've been wondering... - HiiEN - 2008-07-02
I think most Archers in this generation skip FA anyways.
I've been wondering... - crazybel - 2008-07-02
What else would you use those points for anyways? Iron body or endure? xD
The only reason you would need those points for something else is if you go hybrid. And yeah, hybrid WKs are awkward and aren't fully hybrid (choosing one weapon for each charge). I would imagine a hybrid Sader to be awkward as well.
It boosts your damage (and for saders helps you gain orbs faster) so I think it's plenty more useful than the alternatives.
I've been wondering... - HiiEN - 2008-07-02
crazybel Wrote:What else would you use those points for anyways? Iron body or endure? xDWell for Crusaders/WK's it's no problem since FA helps them through third job. For spearmen, however, it's better to allocate thosa FA points into something more useful, say, Booster.
The only reason you would need those points for something else is if you go hybrid. And yeah, hybrid WKs are awkward and aren't fully hybrid (choosing one weapon for each charge). I would imagine a hybrid Sader to be awkward as well.
It boosts your dps (and for saders helps you gain orbs faster) so I think it's plenty more useful than the alternatives.
I've been wondering... - wobbufet - 2008-07-02
crazybel Wrote:What else would you use those points for anyways? Iron body or endure? xD
The only reason you would need those points for something else is if you go hybrid. And yeah, hybrid WKs are awkward and aren't fully hybrid (choosing one weapon for each charge). I would imagine a hybrid Sader to be awkward as well.
It boosts your dps (and for saders helps you gain orbs faster) so I think it's plenty more useful than the alternatives.
It's not that I need the points, its just that I fear it might be a total waste of SP due to the unpredictability. <- is that even a word? x_X
I've been wondering... - crazybel - 2008-07-02
HiiEN Wrote:Well for Crusaders/WK's it's no problem since FA helps them through third job. For spearmen, however, it's better to allocate thosa FA points into something more useful, say, Booster.
Yeah, I was just thinking I forgot to include spearmen in warriors, lol.
They would indeed be only warrior subclass that is recommended to go fa-less.
wobbufet Wrote:It's not that I need the points, its just that I fear it might be a total waste of SP due to the unpredictability. <- is that even a word? x_XWell, I guess it's really about preference if you look at it that way. But I never regretted having fa.
It's nice when it does come out, but yeah, unpredictable.
With the 60% rate, sometimes I watch it for fa and imagine if they were 60% scrolls. Sometime to pass the time during grinding. xD
I've been wondering... - wobbufet - 2008-07-02
crazybel Wrote:Well, I guess it's really about preference if you look at it that way. But I never regretted having fa.
It's nice when it does come out, but yeah, unpredictable.
With the 60% rate, sometimes I watch it for fa and imagine if they were 60% scrolls. Sometime to pass the time during grinding. xD
Heh I do those kind of things all the time while training, now I'm really convinced
I've been wondering... - Cardboardsnail - 2008-07-02
FA rocks
It's not perfect though
Sometimes the extra hits are just a waste of time
Sometimes it even gets you hurt because you can't move while doing a final attack and a monster rams into you
I've been wondering... - crazybel - 2008-07-02
Ah yes, I forgot about that.
FA actually did get me killed once at zak. I got knocked into 3rd body by the stupid blue spawn as I was attacking and FA came out and I didn't run out fast enough. We were short on DKs that run and so yeah, tombstone.
When I train I run into monsters a lot anyways, so monsters ramming me don't concern me. I run through them sometimes to mob them anyways.
But besides that I never regretted FA.
I've been wondering... - wobbufet - 2008-07-02
crazybel Wrote:Ah yes, I forgot about that.Hmm.. well I doubt I'll be bossing that much before I hit 4th job anyways so I guess it shouldn't be too big of a problem :p
FA actually did get me killed once at zak. I got knocked into 3rd body by the stupid blue spawn as I was attacking and FA came out and I didn't run out fast enough. We were short on DKs that run and so yeah, tombstone.
When I train I run into monsters a lot anyways, so monsters ramming me don't concern me. I run through them sometimes to mob them anyways.
But besides that I never regretted FA.
I've been wondering... - solid_ice8 - 2008-07-02
lol
it sounds pretty fun to be bossing x.x
my comp can only handle pianus/crow/anego/ergoth and 1 party zak
any more than 1 party zak will lag me even on low quality
and dont mention HT, i only managed to 2nd head, never got to 3rd part
so, i hope i can get archilles sometime, as fiel as once long ago told me on the other forum it helps with 1/1 atks
I've been wondering... - ยป-Chris-> - 2008-07-04
[SIZE="1"]Well, it's worth maxing for sure, but personally I hadn't found it too useful.[/SIZE]
I've been wondering... - Ranylyn - 2008-07-04
Powerstrike: Increased DPS
Slash Blast on Mobs of 6 = Greatly reduced DPS
FA would be incredible, as in a rating of 10/10 in awesome, if it's Slash Blast activation wasn't so bullshit weak on the monster at the end of the attack. Especially for WKs, who don't need to charge up orbs, when mobbing, FA is quite frankly, the worst available use of those stat points for a WK. Charging up an element, using up the charge with Charge Blow, and rebuffing is better for DPS than Charge + SB with FA, according to Seyanin from SW if I recall.
Consider this. Some Paladins go Blast first, placing their inital point at 120 into it. Reason is probably due to not having the book for ACB which only drops at Zakum. They prefer 1 blast over maxed powerstrike since it's controllable, FA doesn't randomly activate. If it's such a big deal for a single-hitting skill at that level... well, keep reading, you'll see.
Crusaders go FA for Combo Orbs. DKs neglect it (for the most part) due to having replacements for Powerstrike and Slash Blast at 3rd job. The WKs are sort of trapped in the middle. It has its moments where it can be helpful... but a moment isn't even worth a grain of sand in the flow of eternity, or in this case, a few monsters killed by FA don't amount to much in the hundreds of thousands you kill per level up. It's worth it, the majority of the time, with powerstrike, but look. What's better, a single monster worth 400 exp, or a mob of 6 worth 150 each? Slash blast is the utensil used to eat the main course of your gourmet feast of monsters, and FA weakens it.
Ranyratings:
FA for Powerstrike: 7/10
It activates at bad times an awful lot, causing you to get hit, but I can't deny that it increases damage output, when it activates at the right time and not after killing something. It's hard to say whether it helps or harms in the long run, but it's noticeable that it deals damage, and that's what matters most to most players.
FA for Slash Blast: 2/10
Sorry, but 2-digit damage at the end of a chain of monsters hit with FA doesn't cut it. In that same time, I could have done a second, normal, Slash Blast, and killed all 6 in one strike, not just the two at the head of the group, taking even longer to kill the ones behind it. Let's also not forget that it adds up to a horrible inability to make the monster flinch, which is yet another way you take more damage rather than just poorly timed activation of the skill.
Verdict on FA for WKs: Your choice. Looking cool and single targets? Mobbing? Personally, Warriors aren't sins, we're mobbers! I prefer slash blast for training, and FA screws me over big time. When I reset my points to swap weapons, I'm not adding any FA, I'll let it rot there. It's cheaper than adding it to IB which is what I'd ideally do.
If only they let you toggle it on or off, so you can choose to never see the effect if it would inconvenience you at a particular map.
I've been wondering... - wobbufet - 2008-07-04
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I do like mobbing though, and I just hate the SB damage :x
I've been wondering... - Stereo - 2008-07-04
Levelwise, I'd say FA shines from about 75-105. Through 2nd job and the end of 3rd, you're using SB a lot more often (in those in between levels, it's easier to assault single targets because it's harder to control mobs - SB doesn't knockback enough)
ACB replaces both PS and SB so you won't use FA at all by 123 if you can get that skillbook.
Personally I think FA looks good and would get it for that reason, I've played an FA-less warrior and it is definitely better in 2nd job mobbing maps, it's just a lot more boring because you barely use any skills at all.
I've been wondering... - Cardboardsnail - 2008-07-04
Yeah the slash blast does kinda suck.
I've been wondering... - wobbufet - 2008-07-04
I'll go FA-less, it is now decided! Screw regular builds!