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Are Asians Smarter? - Russt - 2010-02-10
To be fair...
2147483647 Wrote:The first problem with Asians is that many of them aren't studying for themselves. Whenever I try talking to people I know, many of them will tell me that they're studying. I can't really understand why, and when I pursue the question further, they tell me that their parents will be angry with them if they fail (Asian-fail, not even really failing). I still don't really understand this and I probably never will. Every time I hear that, I want to believe that these people are just making up a BS reply so that they don't have to explain. But now hearing it over the years, it unfortunately seems true to me.
This is high school you're referring to. It's very common for high school students not yet to have a very good idea of where they're going later in life, and in the absence of that, what can they do besides follow what they know? It's certainly no worse than whatever else they could be doing.
Quote:Many believe that English is about reading stories to the point that you can recall every little detail. Many believe that science, and even history, is about memorizing cold, hard facts. None of these are true, yet they're what's taught throughout school and such ideas continue to persist throughout high school.
Unfortunately, this has more to do with how this is taught than with the students themselves. Factual details will be on the test, therefore you must know them. (For the record, I think this is crap too, particularly in English.)
Quote:In addition, I find many Asians really, really shallow. They have never considered self-examination, and have never considered even the most basic questions in life. For example, I asked many people a simple question, such as "what is happiness?", and the only Asian I've ever heard who could produce a satisfactory answer (as in something more complex than a variation of "a feeling of euphoria") is Vicky. She answered, "I don't know, but it's derived from making others happy". I then asked her another question, "Then why do you make others angry?" She didn't know why.
Most people in general don't think about these things very much.
Are Asians Smarter? - Devil - 2010-02-10
There is no such thing as an Asian race...
I don't know what retard created that bullcrap, but it would be the same as having an:
- European race
- African race
- North American race
- South American race
- Micronesian race
- Northpolian race
- Antartican race
Actually I think as for the people who "invented" putting the retarded AZN-tag in online nicknames, this proves that people living in the region called Asia are actually the most dumb people ever to walk on the earth. I hereby declare that this is scientifically proven now... :')
OMG, what a bullcrap... :')
Are Asians Smarter? - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2010-02-10
If you've ever gone to any sort of academic competition...you would know the answer almost immediately.
....Which is kind of sad seeing as how I'm Asian....
Are Asians Smarter? - Kurtle - 2010-02-10
I am surprised this thread has made it this far. If I were to have made a thread titled "Are Blacks Really this Dumb?" it would have been immediately closed and been infracted. The sad part is the OP continues to act like this is an appropriate conversation to be had and treats a "race" of people according to westernized stereotypes.
I am disappoint Southperry.
Are Asians Smarter? - TøbiasBlack - 2010-02-10
nature versus nurture. asians have a better schooling, and due to that they want to keep up with the stereotype id suppose. figure why wouldnt you want to be seen as smart, even if youre just classified by your race? sure it can get annoying, but more often then not asians are the ones that'd have a higher focus in education compared to other races and nations. sure there are exceptions to that, as there are with all things. not all americans are idiots, not all blacks are ignorant, not all jewish people are greedy, not all asians are smart, so on and so on.
EDIT::
And i agree with Devil for once. the term asian to define people of oriental descent is kind of idiotic. are russians, middle eastern people, and indians oriental? then why is it that when one hears asian, the first thought is china/japan/korea/taiwan/filipino? id say ignorance is bliss, but theres too many people in the world that arent satisfied with how the worlds being run for that to hold true IMO.
Are Asians Smarter? - Horusmaster - 2010-02-10
Asians aren't smart, but they are less shallow than whites.
Are Asians Smarter? - Nikkey - 2010-02-10
Asian parents are just more strict, they're not "smarter". To back up my statement: I don't know any Asian scientist or mathematician. (For that matter, I only know about that black guy who worked with peanuts as well.) I should have. Pythagoras, Euler, Cauchy, Lorentz, Riemann, Abel, Einstein, Bohr, Planck, Gauss, Ohm, Volta and Ampere were all European scientists. None of those were Asian.
Are Asians Smarter? - TøbiasBlack - 2010-02-10
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Asian parents are just more strict, they're not "smarter". To back up my statement: I don't know any Asian scientist or mathematician. (For that matter, I only know about that black guy who worked with peanuts as well.) I should have. Pythagoras, Euler, Cauchy, Lorentz, Riemann, Abel, Einstein, Bohr, Planck, Gauss, Ohm, Volta and Ampere were all European scientists. None of those were Asian.
Michio Kaku, theoretical physicist.
just hope i spelled his name right. =x
Are Asians Smarter? - Horusmaster - 2010-02-10
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Asian parents are just more strict, they're not "smarter". To back up my statement: I don't know any Asian scientist or mathematician. (For that matter, I only know about that black guy who worked with peanuts as well.) I should have. Pythagoras, Euler, Cauchy, Lorentz, Riemann, Abel, Einstein, Bohr, Planck, Gauss, Ohm, Volta and Ampere were all European scientists. None of those were Asian.
I wonder who invented chinese remainder theorum....
Are Asians Smarter? - Lozmaster - 2010-02-10
Horusmaster Wrote:I wonder who invented chinese remainder theorum....
Gee wilkers batman, one whole mathematician? Got anymore, because the list of european mathematicians is a mile long. Obviously they can do math as well as europeans in theory (at least a couple of my lecturers are chinese) but the chinese community does seem lacking in huge breakthroughs in the maths field compared to other areas
Are Asians Smarter? - Horusmaster - 2010-02-10
em... what?
or is it because when both asians and westerner discovers something, the westerner gets credited even though if he discovered it 500 later than the asian guy. (pascal's triangle)
Are Asians Smarter? - 2147483647 - 2010-02-10
Kurtle Wrote:I am surprised this thread has made it this far. If I were to have made a thread titled "Are Blacks Really this Dumb?" it would have been immediately closed and been infracted. The sad part is the OP continues to act like this is an appropriate conversation to be had and treats a "race" of people according to westernized stereotypes.The difference is that Asians didn't have a long history of slavery. Also, I didn't treat Asians according to westernized stereotypes. In fact, I don't agree with many of the stereotypes that are placed on Asians, such as this very common one: "Asians are cheap". I only even mentioned that I've been 'whitewashed' to point out how I examined my Asian peers from a non-Asian standpoint I wouldn't have been able to had I conformed with my parents' beliefs.
I am disappoint Southperry.
If you feel it's not an appropriate conversation, report the thread, and if your moderator friends agree with you, they'll close it.
Russt Wrote:To be fair...To be honest, I'm a MSJ student expressing my disappointment with my own school.
Are Asians Smarter? - Worthyness - 2010-02-10
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Asian parents are just more strict, they're not "smarter". To back up my statement: I don't know any Asian scientist or mathematician. (For that matter, I only know about that black guy who worked with peanuts as well.) I should have. Pythagoras, Euler, Cauchy, Lorentz, Riemann, Abel, Einstein, Bohr, Planck, Gauss, Ohm, Volta and Ampere were all European scientists. None of those were Asian.
History remembers those who found it most recently. So technically, Some asians could have "discovered" what the Europeans "rediscovered" before them, it's just so ancient that no one remembers them. Pascal's Triangle was invented thousands of years before Pascal was even alive by a chinese mathematician, so who knows what else could have been "rediscovered".
EDIT: lol someone got this before me. I fail at reading =(
Are Asians Smarter? - Nikkey - 2010-02-10
Horusmaster Wrote:em... what?
or is it because when both asians and westerner discovers something, the westerner gets credited even though if he discovered it 500 later than the asian guy. (pascal's triangle)
And why is that, may I ask?
If a mathematician find an interesting property, the mathematician writes it down. But if he or others can't use it to anything practical, then it's left alone and rottens: The asian guy found an interesting property, but couldn't find any use of it. Would I be scolded if I say that he wasn't smart enough to find one?
FYI: The binomial coefficient was known to Greek mathematicians 1000 years before that though. (and 700 for Hindi) As probability was not invented at that time, they didn't have/find a use for it. Same goes for everyone before Pascal.
Are Asians Smarter? - Worthyness - 2010-02-10
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:And why is that, may I ask?
If a mathematician find an interesting property, the mathematician writes it down. But if he or others can't use it to anything practical, then it's left alone and rottens: The asian guy found an interesting property, but couldn't find any use of it. Would I be scolded if I say that he wasn't smart enough to find one?
FYI: The binomial coefficient was known to Greek mathematicians 1000 years before that though. (and 700 for Hindi) As probability was not invented at that time, they didn't have/find a use for it. Same goes for everyone before Pascal.
You can't say that he wasn't smart enough to find an answer per se. Maybe he had been working on it and happened to not live long enough to find a use for it. Who's to say that he DIDN'T find a usefor it and that he just didn't have time to publish it all? For all we know, he DID find a use for it and he hid it in some mountain cave so no one would find it and use it for some random purpose (unlikely, but this is all speculation and guessing for the most part). We can only guess until we get a time machine and ask him what the hell he was thinking about.
All those mathematicians/scientists must have had some sort of motivation/ previous work to go off of. We can't tell if the Asian guy (i think he's named Yang Hui), given the same resorces of Pascal, could have done just the same as Pascal. All we know is he found something before someone else, but didn't get his name on it.
From this i say we are all capable of doing great things, it's just a matter of how motivated we are and how much support and such we have behind us. From what i see, people can be motivated in a situation that is utter crap OR a situation that is incredibly high in support. Hell, I've seen it happen. People can choose whether or not they want to be "smart", but it's not all black and white. There are other factors that can affect the motivation of certain people like the group they hang out with, their racial sterotypes, etc.
Are Asians Smarter? - Horusmaster - 2010-02-10
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:And why is that, may I ask?
If a mathematician find an interesting property, the mathematician writes it down. But if he or others can't use it to anything practical, then it's left alone and rottens: The asian guy found an interesting property, but couldn't find any use of it. Would I be scolded if I say that he wasn't smart enough to find one?
FYI: The binomial coefficient was known to Greek mathematicians 1000 years before that though. (and 700 for Hindi) As probability was not invented at that time, they didn't have/find a use for it. Same goes for everyone before Pascal.
obviously lack of communication between whites and asians at that time.
And because of the culture difference. Whites value intellictual properties alot more than asians. In the asian community, when someone discovers something, he won't get his name next to every equation he made. The person's discovery is usually mentioned without the person's name when applying them.
And what do you mean by usefulness? Did pascal discovered a "use" for pascal's triangle, asides from the properties that is already known by the chinese?
Are Asians Smarter? - Russt - 2010-02-11
2147483647 Wrote:To be honest, I'm a MSJ student expressing my disappointment with my own school.
To be blunt, the Angry Dome is a nice place for expressions of disappointment.
(To be beside the point: MSJ as in Mission San Jose...?)
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Asian parents are just more strict, they're not "smarter". To back up my statement: I don't know any Asian scientist or mathematician. (For that matter, I only know about that black guy who worked with peanuts as well.) I should have. Pythagoras, Euler, Cauchy, Lorentz, Riemann, Abel, Einstein, Bohr, Planck, Gauss, Ohm, Volta and Ampere were all European scientists. None of those were Asian.
That's even less fair. Societal circumstances matter way more than inherent intelligence (even if there is a notable difference in the latter, which is probably untrue) when it comes to scientific and technological advances.
Are Asians Smarter? - 2147483647 - 2010-02-11
Well, see if I posted this topic in the Angry Dome, the input I'd get would be even less thoughtful than it is now, and that will only serve to worsen my disappointment.
MSJ = Mission San Jose.
Are Asians Smarter? - Swerve - 2010-02-11
Inappropriate post.
Are Asians Smarter? - Kalovale - 2010-02-11
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Asian parents are just more strict, they're not "smarter". To back up my statement: I don't know any Asian scientist or mathematician. (For that matter, I only know about that black guy who worked with peanuts as well.) I should have. Pythagoras, Euler, Cauchy, Lorentz, Riemann, Abel, Einstein, Bohr, Planck, Gauss, Ohm, Volta and Ampere were all European scientists. None of those were Asian.
Would England, then, be the smartest for pioneering in technology development?
If anything, I'd like to add that Asian countries have better environment conditions for agriculture and therefore heading in a different direction from that of other races. Over thousands of years it's formed a lax and dependent (on weather) lifestyle typical of agricultural societies and that doesn't help stimulate technical advances.
As for Asian students, yes we study without a reason, but I don't know how much of all that studying makes us smart. Adapted to doing homework, sure, familiar with reading a book, sure, but the time we spend brainstorming, which helps our brain actually grow, doesn't necessarily depend on how many hours we spend sitting at the table.
I honestly don't see Asian students as smart, not by my definition for smartness anyway.