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Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Russt - 2010-01-03
Don't forget that physical attack skills (i.e. PB attack3) are also affected.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Dual - 2010-01-03
So what would be the increased survivability rate with HB and Threaten combined?
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Russt - 2010-01-03
You would be able to tank 2.5x as much damage as with neither of the two. Another way to look at it is that you would need 0.4x the HP to survive.
So with a hit of 25k, you actually only need 10k HP to tank it with Threaten and HB in effect.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Bomber - 2010-01-03
Russt Wrote:You would be able to tank 2.5x as much damage as with neither of the two. Another way to look at it is that you would need 0.4x the HP to survive.
So with a hit of 25k, you actually only need 10k HP to tank it with Threaten and HB in effect.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Hazzy - 2010-01-03
10k HP before HB? .__.
That doesn't sound fun at all. Better than 13k or something, but still.... How much would it cost to wash that? Dx
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Bomber - 2010-01-03
I'm 14x and even I made it to 10k already, not even washed(maybe like 20/30 points or less .__.)
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Hazzy - 2010-01-03
Warriors/Mages don't count.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Dual - 2010-01-03
Hazzy Wrote:Warriors/Mages don't count.
[COLOR="Green"]Is a Bowman going to start hugging Horntail's tail?
Also, which attack is Pink Bean 3? Is that Big Bang or Reserve Gen? If it's one of those, we just found the key to beating PB.[/COLOR]
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Hazzy - 2010-01-03
Depends on how much they washed.
It seems we have gone in a cycle.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Tamillan - 2010-01-03
If i made any mistake in the bottom part tell me please. I am not a paladin so I might have missed some things, but I dont think so.
Lets take an example here.
Paladin lvl 200 = 17 000 range with onyx apple, mw30, and echo of hero.
Paladin with SI as well with a sword. I think the max speed is what like 95 blast per min I think.
So lets calculate the max dmg this paladin can do.
Damage = 17 000 (Range) * 10.87 (skill %)= 184 790 on nuetral. Imagine on holy weak. Also imagine on both holy and lightning weak. 184 790 *1.5 = Over 200k. <----max dmg cap. So Paladins will be restricted to 199 999 dmg per blast max dmg.
DPM = 199 999 * 95 (number of blasts per min) = 18 999 905 <---This is there max dmg per minute if they hit max dmg each blast they do in that minute. Lets just say on anego they will probably be hitting max dmg each blast or smth right? 184k * 1.5 * 1.5= TOO HIGH? Even the minimum dmg of that max dmg is probably over 200k?
DPS=316 665
A NL with similar fundings probably can do an average damage of what like 150k easy at lvl 200 with the same buffs ( i added in se, but i didnt for the paladin calculations) right?
So DPS it is 250. If you have awesome fundings then it can go up to like what maybe 330k? So yeah paladins are dam strong now if you can hp wash it well.
I was bored again lol! Damage cap is going to annoy these paladins lol.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Bomber - 2010-01-03
Hazzy Wrote:Depends on how much they washed.
It seems we have gone in a cycle.
I loled
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Cyanne - 2010-01-04
DualReaver Wrote:[COLOR="Green"]Is a Bowman going to start hugging Horntail's tail?
Also, which attack is Pink Bean 3? Is that Big Bang or Reserve Gen? If it's one of those, we just found the key to beating PB.[/COLOR]
The big bang attack has 1500PA, which is reduced to 1200 with threaten. That makes 12240 top damage, 20% reduction to that from combo barrier makes it 9792, HB making that 6120hp base to survive, defense taking that down to close to 6k base to survive it, although 2 spots in the party must be taken by a dark knight and an aran with maxed combo barrier. Also, at horntail, it'll allow everyone with under the required hp for leg stomps to start on the left at the legs, which makes things a bit more efficient.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Stereo - 2010-01-04
How likely is Combo Barrier to be available constantly at PB? Have you done any runs with Aran yet? Or is it more of a "when Combo Barrier is cast, 4 minute of being able to attack".
Even skipping that 20%, 7750 base HP is a lot better than the ~12000 it used to need. Probably the difference for unwashed Shadower/Buccaneers (Arans?) to fight PB. And the Aran definitely needs to be able to survive Big Bang without Combo Barrier, otherwise you can't attack to get it going.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Mazz - 2010-01-04
Paladins seem like a great class skill wise and damage wise now. It's a shame Blast and Charge Blow only attack once (one line of damage) - I'd LOVE to play a Paladin if the hits were broken up into maybe 2-4 weaker hits that total to the same %. Anyway, personal preference I guess. Glad to see Nexon are doing something to balance other classes.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Dual - 2010-01-04
Stereo Wrote:How likely is Combo Barrier to be available constantly at PB? Have you done any runs with Aran yet? Or is it more of a "when Combo Barrier is cast, 4 minute of being able to attack".
Even skipping that 20%, 7750 base HP is a lot better than the ~12000 it used to need. Probably the difference for unwashed Shadower/Buccaneers (Arans?) to fight PB. And the Aran definitely needs to be able to survive Big Bang without Combo Barrier, otherwise you can't attack to get it going.
I actually imagined a Shadower using Smokescreen and the Arans then using the time in Smokescreen to get 200 Combos, activating it. You'll need more than one Shad though.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Tamillan - 2010-01-04
Acb is not as strong as blast, but still good on mobs xD. When it comes to 2-3 bosses thats when heros become very strong compared to paladins, but 1v1 Paladin sure is the king out of those two classes. Against elemental weak bosses like anego, then paladins are beasts. Threaten makes paladin's very usefull too now. It is good to see balancing happening in this game. I hope this thread helps people making a new character to maybe choose a paladin. They are just as good as heros xD. Heros still good compared to others classes, but now there is more competition for heros. Paladins is rare to see now, hopefully we will see more variety of classes. Mix of all classes is nice to see. I'm kinda tired and bored of seeing bishops, heros, and NLs. xD There are more classes that are popular too, but I want to see more paladins and shadowers. xD
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - HellenzSin - 2010-01-04
Stereo Wrote:How likely is Combo Barrier to be available constantly at PB? Have you done any runs with Aran yet? Or is it more of a "when Combo Barrier is cast, 4 minute of being able to attack".The big bang atk stuns right? and there is also the seduce notes, and Aran is melee so probably will need a lot of washing to be able to avoid all this things hugging the body plus can they get to 200 combo when damage reflect starts activating every 1 minute? only way seems to be to keep atking while it has dmg reflect on.
Even skipping that 20%, 7750 base HP is a lot better than the ~12000 it used to need. Probably the difference for unwashed Shadower/Buccaneers (Arans?) to fight PB. And the Aran definitely needs to be able to survive Big Bang without Combo Barrier, otherwise you can't attack to get it going.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Beaner - 2010-01-04
Cyanne Wrote:The big bang attack has 1500PA, which is reduced to 1200 with threaten. That makes 12240 top damage, 20% reduction to that from combo barrier makes it 9792, HB making that 6120hp base to survive, defense taking that down to close to 6k base to survive it, although 2 spots in the party must be taken by a dark knight and an aran with maxed combo barrier. Also, at horntail, it'll allow everyone with under the required hp for leg stomps to start on the left at the legs, which makes things a bit more efficient.
it wont be possible at HT, or very hard, the 200 combo during legs is pretty hard. i have been in a party with an aran, she had lv 22 barrier and she couldnt keep it up 100% of the time, stunt, super knock back and that stuff made it hard to reach 200 within the time it lasts. i guess with a higher level stance it would work but still, the aran would have to cast barrier before the prelin head dies and main HT would have to be summoned right away if you want someone with low hp to survive stomp.
at pb it would be easier i guess but we would have to see how relaible barrier can be.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - Cyanne - 2010-01-04
Big bang actually reverses keys, and do arans still do that thrust forward in 4th job? In that case, it's either stand on top of PB in the corner, or the aran's forced to move back every time he/she does an attack sequence. DR will be an issue, but can arans reach 200 combo on a single target in 40 seconds? If so, that should be enough to keep barrier going, though the combo loss will be a huge dent in damage.
Tamillan Wrote:Acb is not as strong as blast, but still good on mobs xD. When it comes to 2-3 bosses thats when heros become very strong compared to paladins, but 1v1 Paladin sure is the king out of those two classes. Against elemental weak bosses like anego, then paladins are beasts. Threaten makes paladin's very usefull too now. It is good to see balancing happening in this game. I hope this thread helps people making a new character to maybe choose a paladin. They are just as good as heros xD. Heros still good compared to others classes, but now there is more competition for heros. Paladins is rare to see now, hopefully we will see more variety of classes. Mix of all classes is nice to see. I'm kinda tired and bored of seeing bishops, heros, and NLs. xD There are more classes that are popular too, but I want to see more paladins and shadowers. xD
Paladins beating heroes at single-targets should've been there from the start seeing as how blast only hits one target, it's great to finally see that happen. Unfortunely the damage cap lowers their potential with apples, weaknesses, and/or SE =/
XBish Wrote:it wont be possible at HT, or very hard, the 200 combo during legs is pretty hard. i have been in a party with an aran, she had lv 22 barrier and she couldnt keep it up 100% of the time, stunt, super knock back and that stuff made it hard to reach 200 within the time it lasts. i guess with a higher level stance it would work but still, the aran would have to cast barrier before the prelin head dies and main HT would have to be summoned right away if you want someone with low hp to survive stomp.
at pb it would be easier i guess but we would have to see how relaible barrier can be.
I meant threaten for the horntail legs thing.
Paladins = Another high DPS class like heros - HellenzSin - 2010-01-04
so there is nothing that stuns at pb right? and yea i move forward when i use overswing, i dont think i can do a 200 combo in 40 secs either.
XBish Wrote:it wont be possible at HT, or very hard, the 200 combo during legs is pretty hard. i have been in a party with an aran, she had lv 22 barrier and she couldnt keep it up 100% of the time, stunt, super knock back and that stuff made it hard to reach 200 within the time it lasts. i guess with a higher level stance it would work but still, the aran would have to cast barrier before the prelin head dies and main HT would have to be summoned right away if you want someone with low hp to survive stomp.
at pb it would be easier i guess but we would have to see how relaible barrier can be.
My stance was maxed at that time, 90% is just not as good as u think, on the right side i couldnt do a 200 combo before falling so yeah, and i have to stand on those little plats to attack. I guess there is less problem on PB if i can take a body hit/atk when he is on DR. 4 mins is enough time if im gonna hug it to avoid sed/poke it while pb has dr on even easier if pb is gonna be on the corner forever. Not sure if i could use barrier before pb is summoned though at Ariel part/last hawk statue.