Eosian Wrote:and if you don't want to participate it's really none of your concern.

Eosian Wrote:You say that like there aren't dozens of people here already who can, have and do. Nothing is stopping you from participating if you really want to, and if you don't want to participate it's really none of your concern.

Greg Wrote:I don't have to participate to think this system is already retarded. You know that eventually it's going to be the same three or four people competing with each other, pointing out mistakes five minutes after Fiel posts a new extraction. Normal rep systems suck already, but to have one that only involves people that take interest in Fiel's extractions with data extractors themselves having a huge advantage is even worse.

Eosian Wrote:Bottom line Greg; How does it effect you? What makes it your concern? Why do you care if it sucks if it has nothing to do with you? Where does your opinion have value in this?

Greg Wrote:My opinion has value because it makes perfect sense. Every reputation system has its flaws. Fiel understands this, and while he tried to make it fair and uncontrolled by Southperry's userbase, I still consider it flawed.

Eosian Wrote:A negative opinion only has value when it includes realistic recommendations for improvement.

ClawofBeta Wrote:So....how do you check the number of rep points do you have?

Eosian Wrote:Then the prove the value of you saying something sucks.
Demonstrate for us exactly what that accomplishes, how it improves the situation for anyone, and how it's contributive to this program.

Greg Wrote:You can drop your holier-than-thou act if you want. I gave my feedback on Fiel's decision and don't think I need to go any farther. I shouldn't need to state my solution to what I feel is a flawed in Fiel's rep system; it should be apparent based on what I've said so far.

Fiel Wrote:The purpose is competition. I want people to point out mistakes in my extractions which in turn makes my extractions better.

Eosian Wrote:I wouldn't hold your breath on anyone valuing your opinion any time soon if you can't even be bothered to demonstrate there are better ways.

BombsAway Wrote:I think the biggest problem here is that most of us still don't know exactly what we can do. I know I have no idea, I don't extract so I can't search for missing things. I don't even know if we're supposed to be looking for Nexon's errors (typos) or Fiel's, and if it is Fiel's, what the hell are we looking for?

Greg Wrote:There are no better ways. Every reputation system involves a group of people with an unfair advantage, and this system is no exception. Those that are familiar with data extracting have an edge over those who don't. It seems as though every one of my posts come out as gibberish when read by you, so allow me to quote another user who shares similar thoughts:

Devil's Sunrise Wrote:What is this group's unfair advantage? Do you say that people with a green light are worth more than people without?

Greg Wrote:"Every reputation system involves a group of people with an unfair advantage, and this system is no exception. Those that are familiar with data extracting have an edge over those who don't."

Devil's Sunrise Wrote:1: This reputation-system is not used for reputation.
2: Whoops, I didn't mean to ask dat. I meant to ask "What unfair advantages does this group get?" - as in, what do the reputaters get that other "normal" people doesn't?

Greg Wrote:2. Once a reputation system is enabled, shit gets competitive. People don't go out of their way to get points to gain any benefits; there are none. They get points to have more points than everyone else.

Fiel Wrote:The purpose is competition. I want people to point out mistakes in my extractions which in turn makes my extractions better.

Devil's Sunrise Wrote:That's the point:

Fiel Wrote:The purpose is competition.

Greg Wrote:Those that are familiar with data extracting have an edge over those who don't.

Greg Wrote:We're slowly making progress.



See what I'm getting at now?