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[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Fiel - 2009-12-29
JoeTang Wrote:One big step for Pages.
Any idea what subTime is though?
No idea. I also don't know the rationale behind attaching a probability rate to Threaten. I really didn't see that coming.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Tay - 2009-12-29
Goooooooooood
Steal looks quite lovely.
I'll need to work out a build very soon, Mastery first probably seems the best way to go?
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - WayOfTime - 2009-12-29
Mastery first is generally the way any second job goes, with the possible exception of Brawlers and (of course) mages.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Kirov - 2009-12-29
Threaten is awesome, Steal looks interesting. As for the rest, I’m very disappointed.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Rick - 2009-12-29
1200 less MP for maxed Blizzard and Meteor is certainly nothing to sniff at, especially with the amp increase. Not sure how much love this gives Paladins, not knowing how effective those increases will be. As for steal, it still sounds pretty useless.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - KaidaTan - 2009-12-29
I am also disappoint. The changes to Threaten are borderline broken (-20% to boss accuracy? Yes please), but the rest of it isn't quite enough. Also sad to see no Dark Knight buffs here. Or Archer buffs!
Rick Wrote:1200 less MP for maxed Blizzard and Meteor is certainly nothing to sniff at, especially with the amp increase. Not sure how much love this gives Paladins, not knowing how effective those increases will be. As for steal, it still sounds pretty useless.Heroes do 1568% damage/second to 3 targets.
Paladins do 1222% damage/second to 1 target with the old Blast/Holy Charge
Paladins do 1381% damage/second to 1 target with the new Blast/Holy Charge
EDIT: The above values are at weapon speed faster(2)
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Lozmaster - 2009-12-29
Rick Wrote:1200 less MP for maxed Blizzard and Meteor is certainly nothing to sniff at, especially with the amp increase. Not sure how much love this gives Paladins, not knowing how effective those increases will be. As for steal, it still sounds pretty useless.
Blast at 580% and holy at 150% is nice, gives 870% damage on neutrals (heroes is 988%), and 1305% on holy weak. If Threaten decreases a bosses weapon defense by 20%, I checked quickly, that'd give my bowmaster ~140k extra DPM on zakum 3, at any boss with 2 parties+, that could make a big difference to cover the gap between heroes and 'dins, as long as they aren'te elementally resistant. The extra damage only increases at stronger bosses,
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Rick - 2009-12-29
The thread over on Sleepywood says Thunder Charge was changed to stack with the other charges, but since Fiel didn't catch it am I safe to assume they're wrong?
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Fiel - 2009-12-29
Rick Wrote:The thread over on Sleepywood says Thunder Charge was changed to stack with the other charges, but since Fiel didn't catch it am I safe to assume they're wrong?
"What stacks with what" is a formula which is not stated in the wz files. So I didn't miss it, but they are probably right about it if they're getting it from the patch notes. Also, the exact mechanics of how Beholder works isn't in the WZ files either. One thing they did mention that caught my eye was Thunderbolt's range being increased which would be in the data. I didn't see that at all and I still don't see it.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Blake - 2009-12-29
Pink Bean
Effective magic: Poison, Lightning
Less effective magic: Fire, Ice, Holy
Any ideas on how this will affect Paladins with dual charge?
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Chameleonic - 2009-12-29
Looks liket they are saving the best changes till last...crosses fingers.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Devil - 2009-12-29
Hmmmm weird upgrade for Steal... also the 250 range... that's quite huge for a 2nd job skill... :o
Anyway, same forward range as BoT (150 forward range + 100 explosion range to both sides), and BoT does a lot more damage then 130% (250% after upgrade). Still... is it 100% stun ratio? o.0
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Nikkey - 2009-12-29
If thunder charge stacks, then Paladins will be overpowered. Seriously. On holy weak/lit weak: 1.5 * 1.5 * 1.25 before defense. That is more than 1631.25% with the new blast. Over 1087.5% without any weakness.
With dual charge: 0.5 * 1.5 = 0.75, so a loss from the weakness. with another 1.25 boost, you get 93.75, so better off with lit alone.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Fiel - 2009-12-29
Devil Wrote:Hmmmm weird upgrade for Steal... also the 250 range... that's quite huge for a 2nd job skill... :o
Anyway, same forward range as BoT (150 forward range + 100 explosion range to both sides), and BoT does a lot more damage then 130% (250% after upgrade). Still... is it 100% stun ratio? o.0
No. It should be a 50% probability for stun.
Also, looking at the lightning charge stacking thing, it's true. Here's the skill description for Lighting Charge:
[마스터 레벨 : 30]\n일정 시간동안 둔기에 번개 속성을 부여한다. 다른 속성의 차지 스킬과 중복하여 사용할 수 있다. 시간이 다 되거나 차지 블로우를 사용하면 취소된다.
[Master Level: 30] \ n period of time is given to blunt force lightning properties. Charge of the property in conjunction with other skills can be used. It takes time to blow, or you will be canceled.
Okay, the translation was comical, but it gets the point across.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Blake - 2009-12-29
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:If thunder charge stacks, then Paladins will be overpowered. Seriously. On holy weak/lit weak: 1.5 * 1.5 * 1.25 before defense. That is more than 1631.25% with the new blast. Over 1087.5% without any weakness.
With dual charge: 0.5 * 1.5 = 0.75, so a loss from the weakness. with another 1.25 boost, you get 93.75, so better off with lit alone.
I see. Thank you for the breakdown.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - SlayerZach - 2009-12-29
Mmm, Threaten, Divine/Holy and Fire/Flame Charged got a nice Buff. Although, I still think us Paladins are kinda crippled against neutrals/resisting monsters. :c
Edit: Whoa, Duo-charging? Though I'll still stick with my opinion that we're gonna suck on Neutrals/resistants. >_>
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - WayOfTime - 2009-12-29
A paladin charge-stack would be quite interesting, but as stated above, overpowered. An archer change I would like to see is have the skills Blizzard and Inferno be buffs instead of attacks.
I know this would not happen, but it would be fun~!
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - KaidaTan - 2009-12-29
Fiel Wrote:Also, looking at the lightning charge stacking thing, it's true.How do you think that would work in a formula, based on how other similar things work now?
Would it be (LitCharge*HolyCharge*DamageRange*skill) or ((LitCharge+HolyCharge)*DamageRange*skill)?
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Nikkey - 2009-12-29
SlayerZach Wrote:Mmm, Threaten, Divine/Holy and Fire/Flame Charged got a nice Buff. Although, I still think us Paladins are kinda crippled against neutrals/resisting monsters. :c
Oh yeah we are crippled. Doing more damage against bosses such as Zakum and Horntail and Pink Bean than Heroes and stuff. The only way we are crippled is because the damage we deal is in one hit only, which means we hit the upper limit faster.( I'm pretty mad about that, actually.)
Formula would be the usual deal, I think.
((base dmg * lit charge * lit advantage * elemental charge * elemental advantage) - def) * (skill% + possible crit(s))
If not, then lit it would be a tad weaker with holy, but heckstrong with ice.
[1.2.276] More rebalancing - Devil - 2009-12-29
Erm, Dual Charge? wtp?!?!?! If Paladins get buffed THAT much, Shadowers needs rebalance again... -.-
Assassinate 800% x4 pl0x... -.-