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Make dark tokens permanent - Spideyjvc - 2009-11-04
Kalovale Wrote:We've gone over this since day 1, and I think it's unanimously agreed that the belts are meant to be hard to get/scroll/become godly.
If you'd like to argue I'm going to point out that you still have options to PQ for Tokens. You need 2 people at max to do either KPQ or PPQ, whichever arouses you more, with a condition that you're capable of multi-Mapling. KPQ takes roughly 10 mins each round, dropping 4~6 tokens, PPQ takes 8 mins each round, 3~5 tokens, with an exception of a few PQs you get to fight Enraged/Angry Lord Pirate, who apparently drops more tokens per kill.
Actually, I wouldn't mind if the belts were just difficult to get since day 1. However, Nexon messed up, and made the belts easy to get day 1 and hard to get the rest of the event. People who got a jump start on it all got their belts happily without any real work involved. You can call me a sourpuss for not going to Newties in time (didn't think they'd remove it because I didn't know how much they were dropping until after they were removed. I was thinking it was like an ore drop from them), but I wouldn't have cared so much about the belt if it was this difficult to get at the start.
On a side note, what's KPQ? The only PQ I know abbreviated as KPQ is Kerning, but that needs 4 people, and they'd all be the type who'd rush in and loot all the coins.
Make dark tokens permanent - Stereo - 2009-11-04
I would like permanent items to be permanently available to new players, however...
the Dark Token system is so bad that I would prefer it to be gone. If it was a 1 in 1000 drop from every monster, fine (it would only take about 150,000 kills to make a belt, and another 150,000 to scroll it - not easy by any means) - but bosses are extremely limited availability, and do not scale to number of players - there are only 19 spawned per half hour (or hour, or 6 hours, or day) and once those are gone there's nothing you can do. With normal monsters, the more people kill, the more respawn - and everybody has a chance to do the event.
Make dark tokens permanent - Typhoon - 2009-11-04
DarkGenzo Wrote:It's a complete KS war at every single area boss, if you can even find one.
And yet it's hardly a KS war considering well over half the people who hunt each boss can 1hko, or kill in a matter of seconds, any boss besides manon/griffey/BF.
Still I'm not going to complain about anything, and I only got about 30 coins from newts the first day. Sure there were some decently scrolled belts made the first day (6-7att) and some godly ones (12+). But not many lol
I still see very very nice belts being made. Last night a kid made a 14att one, only to have it go down to 12att. But I guess I can see why some people are angry since they might not be able to afford a scroll in the FM and have to farm the coins to make 1 scroll. :x
Make dark tokens permanent - ImagineAll - 2009-11-04
I just don't like that when I come back they're all going to be gone. In other words I'm going to have to spend 1bil+ just to buy a semi-decent belt. Stupid to me, but it is what it is ._.
Make dark tokens permanent - Nesso - 2009-11-04
If they'd just make it drop at a good rate from monsters, this event would have atleast been a little fair. But now you have to bend over backwards if you want a new belt, while those who got lucky with scrolls made like 1b or now have 7 extra attack.
Make dark tokens permanent - Cyanne - 2009-11-04
There's still the option of the pyramid quest thing belt, which also has 1 att. The witch belt scrolls are a bit more expensive than regular chaos scrolls anyways.
Make dark tokens permanent - MetaSeraphim - 2009-11-04
In Bellocan they dropped to 80 million for each one while Chaos are at 120 million.
Make dark tokens permanent - Kalovale - 2009-11-04
Spideyjvc Wrote:Actually, I wouldn't mind if the belts were just difficult to get since day 1. However, Nexon messed up, and made the belts easy to get day 1 and hard to get the rest of the event. People who got a jump start on it all got their belts happily without any real work involved. You can call me a sourpuss for not going to Newties in time (didn't think they'd remove it because I didn't know how much they were dropping until after they were removed. I was thinking it was like an ore drop from them), but I wouldn't have cared so much about the belt if it was this difficult to get at the start.
On a side note, what's KPQ? The only PQ I know abbreviated as KPQ is Kerning, but that needs 4 people, and they'd all be the type who'd rush in and loot all the coins.
I actually agree with you for some reason. :f6:
Well, yes, KPQ is short for Kerning PQ, which requires 4 people upon entrance, and 3 people to complete. If you can't run 3 mules like I do, you can at least gather 2 other friends and hope one of them has a laptop, then go do it. It should net 5 tokens per 7mins approximately, given that you split equally, that's 5 token gain per 21mins. Not quite desirable, but still an option.
The other option is PPQ, requires 3 for entrance, 2 to complete, dropping 4 on average (although I often see 3 more) and takes roughly 8 mins.
Those are the 2 PQs that can be completed under 2 mins and require minimum members, one for low lvl, one for high lvl.
Make dark tokens permanent - Sparky242 - 2009-11-04
If they make it perm, how about having only Versal monsters drop them?
Make dark tokens permanent - MetaSeraphim - 2009-11-04
You can also hunt Crimson Balrogs, I've managed to get 50 tokens a day from them.
Make dark tokens permanent - Tay - 2009-11-04
Dusk Wrote:A scrolled Black Belt is still as good as a 3 att belt for most physical classes, 4 for Shadowers. It's not really a big "handicap" unless you get your hands on a 7 att belt or higher.
Plus they're still tradeable by SoK, and there will be another ATT belt in the future from Nihal PQ, iirc.
I'm happy with my 5/9/5/5 Black Belt.
The belts from this event are alot easier to get, less tedious, and are better stat wise.
Make dark tokens permanent - Bacon - 2009-11-05
I don't care about the belt.
I want the event to be permanent so I can get a Witch's Hat and Broomstick.
Make dark tokens permanent - MetaSeraphim - 2009-11-05
Bacon Wrote:I don't care about the belt.
I want the event to be permanent so I can get a Witch's Hat and Broomstick.
Work hard, bro. That's what I've been doing for the last three days to get enough for two hats and two broomsticks.
Make dark tokens permanent - Bacon - 2009-11-05
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Work hard, bro. That's what I've been doing for the last three days to get enough for two hats and two broomsticks.I'm still unclear of what bosses drop these Marbles.
Area bosses? Mushmoms?
Make dark tokens permanent - MetaSeraphim - 2009-11-05
All area bosses and major bosses. I myself have been riding the boat to Orbis and back for tokens, I sure am glad they made rides free.
Make dark tokens permanent - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2009-11-05
Chompy Wrote:Right but iTCG items are still giving out.
Currently through boxes.
NO
!!??!?!?! LE GASP!...And in what way would they be iTCG items if they didn't come from iTCG. As soon as you can get them by other means, they are no longer "iTCG items"....especially when they never came from iTCG in the first place.
Make dark tokens permanent - KatanaKiwi - 2009-11-05
DarkGenzo Wrote:It's not exactly about missing out on an event. Boss monsters drop the tokens, and that's it. You can't even find a pineappleing boss anywhere in Kradia, so I'd HATE to see what it's like in the more populated servers.
Having only bosses drop the stupid tokens is completely ridiculous. It's a complete KS war at every single area boss, if you can even find one.
i got my belt by bosshunting for 1 day in kradia.. 150 tokens.. few hours (±6).. its not that hard... i used double drop from my family stuff though. and dont say its eassier for me because of my level because area bosses are cake for anyone
what im saying is, its not that hard, but it may take some hours work.. at least you get something nice for it. i dont see why this event should last the whole year as long as it returns next year for those who did not play maple during this event. events like lunchbox are broken; ppl that didnt get theirs ar doomed to be imperfect and that sux
Make dark tokens permanent - Morgana - 2009-11-05
Hate to say it, but... It's easier for you because of your level, and your class. My bishop can't 1hko any area boss higher level than about Dyle, and then only if I time a Genesis just right. Heck, I can't even solo Pap in under 45 minutes, so there goes killing him twice a day, like most other fourth jobbers could easily do.
My WK, on the other hand, can't even hit any boss above about Nine-Tailed Fox.
And also, you're in Kradia. In Bera, I had trouble finding an empty channel to hunt C.Rogs in, at 12:00AM EST.
I'm barely even trying for the belt other than that, but my alliance chat is full to the brim with rage from those who are working on their belts... From 150 NLs down to 9x Rangers who are getting KSed incessantly.
I'm not saying to make it permanent, but I do wish it was a little easier, and more fair to those of us who are bottom-tier bossers.
Make dark tokens permanent - KatanaKiwi - 2009-11-05
you are right about it being harder since you are in a more crowded server, but on the other hand u guys have better markets then for instance kradia.
about it being eassier for me, most bosses i get my coins from are pretty easy 1hko able for bishops, so thats not really the point either.. but i guess ur right about bosses like snowman and papulatus which are also populair coin hunting areas
Make dark tokens permanent - IllegallySane - 2009-11-05
Simple solution. Make Dark Tokens droppable from all monsters but are as rare as Time Pieces while still keeping the drop rate of tokens from area bosses/bosses. Problem solved. Now if only this actually happened.