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Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Morgana - 2009-09-16
Uh, to be a bishop or AM and train using your ultimate, you NEED to either farm for drops/pure mesos, merchant, and/or sell leech.
Unlike the Beta days, you can't make a profit training. Hence, if you don't want your meso count down to 0 (and I've been darn close; I had to refuse to go on a Zakum run with friends because I didn't have money for pots), you strategize ways to make money.
Anyway, I don't know much about PoT farming. I've given up ToT as useless to me until I can afford Gen30 to actually kill the mobs well. But I don't sell leech for my own reasons, either.
I guess it's a choice of whether you want to be annoyed because the PoTs aren't dropping or because you have to deal with leechers. Either way, it's a 4 hour grind for the best returns. But you could always buy a monthlong 2x drop card if you plan to be farming PoT a lot, and feel less pressured to grind the whole 4 hours since you'd be saving money even if you don't use all of it. (Same with a 1 day 2x drop if you're going to farm a lot in one day.)
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Stereo - 2009-09-16
Morgana Wrote:Uh, to be a bishop or AM and train using your ultimate, Unlike the Beta days, you can't make a profit training.
So don't use the Ultimate training. Your other attacks don't cost as much.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - fiftyschmooo - 2009-09-16
I personally would always say go PoT farming sure even if they get down to 6 or 7 M theres always going to be somoene who needs them... those things are prety much like a commodity now,. liek GFA scrolls... and will always have a demand on them (till new armour/weps comes out with [Neo Tokyo] or w/e it is) + with PoT farming you can lah dee dah all day and be all meh and afk whenever the pineapple you please...
Stereo Wrote:So don't use the Ultimate training. Your other attacks don't cost as much../find a bishop who can skele without Gene, i wanna see the exp per hr difference, it would be....not too bad i would think, heal doing as much as it does and u got SR/AR/Bigbang(lol) could be as fast as a regular attacker..... Not a lot of people remember but Priests used to be like one of the best Goby killers i used to train there with my friend Kuronue when he was either late 13X or 14X whilst my Hero was ~ 135ish and another late 13X Hero @ gobbies and it was for lack of a better word... EPIC and i found a Bishop to be more useful than the other Hero from healing to HS/bless to killing ability(yay for clawwing houses lol) but ya......i would like to see how a Bishop kills without using Genesis at all sure it will be slower... but it could still be acceptable exp(compaired to what an attacker gets @ skeles with a bishop)
and sure you say this... but im not 100% sure it would be a horriblly high ammount less than using ults, your going to be getting hit a bunch more cause things arnt dying as fast and your still using mana all the time(ya ya mp eater) but i dunno if they will be enough to offset Skeles highish Damaging attacks
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Dusk - 2009-09-16
Of course a Bishop killing Skeles without Genesis is slower, but it's by no means impossible. They can still pull solo exp rates comparable to most non-mages, plus they have HS. People always forget that Priests were actually wanted as attackers at Gobies and Himes in addition to HS support prior to 4th job.
Skeles is very cheap without Gen. Hell, it's not that expensive even with Gen if you 1hko or have an HB mule.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - TomasLuther - 2009-09-16
Johnson Wrote:I find OB4 extremely easy to cycle.
I agree 100%, the teleports are really helpful in this map. The only thing is that you need to kill fast.
I can 2hko 100%, and can circle the map pretty fast, it could be faster with max speed tho.
Last times i farmed pieces, i was getting 10 PoTs in 30 mins of 4x drop.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Chompy - 2009-09-16
Dusk Wrote:Of course a Bishop killing Skeles without Genesis is slower, but it's by no means impossible. They can still pull solo exp rates comparable to most non-mages, plus they have HS. People always forget that Priests were actually wanted as attackers at Gobies and Himes in addition to HS support prior to 4th job.
Skeles is very cheap without Gen. Hell, it's not that expensive even with Gen if you 1hko or have an HB mule.
If I didn't have Gen... I'd be at Himes.
Because I can mob and kill easily with out MG there...
Heal is just oh so awesome
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Taiketo - 2009-09-16
I'm with MasPan. Nobody should even venture into TT, absolute waste of time.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - finalbragade - 2009-09-16
Taiketo Wrote:I'm with MasPan. Nobody should even venture into TT, absolute waste of time.
The extra 5% an hour I get at OB4 in comparison to skelles begs to differ
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Kitteh - 2009-09-16
Hush, it's horrid.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Lozmaster - 2009-09-16
finalbragade Wrote:The extra 5% an hour I get at OB4 in comparison to skelles begs to differ
...
Someone take this person out back, i'll get my gun.
Seriously though. Stay out of oblivion 4 kids. T'aint good for you
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - MasPan - 2009-09-16
Lozmaster Wrote:...
Someone take this person out back, i'll get my gun.
Seriously though. Stay out of oblivion 4 kids. T'aint good for you
Except bowmasters with < 4.5k HP. You're more than welcome to come die any time you want, it's fun to watch (true story).
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Holypie - 2009-09-16
MasPan Wrote:Except bowmasters with < 4.5k HP. You're more than welcome to come die any time you want, it's fun to watch (true story).
Don't forget NLs!
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - MissingLink - 2009-09-16
Morgana Wrote:Uh, to be a bishop or AM and train using your ultimate, you NEED to either farm for drops/pure mesos, merchant, and/or sell leech.
I don't find this to be true at all. As long as you stick to mobs you can 1-hit (or probably 2-hit for bishops) and pick up most of the drops, you will come out ahead with just the normal (1X) meso, etc and equip drops. Occasional valuable scrolls and MB's are bonus.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - HeroSTRatos - 2009-09-16
I agree with everybody who is saying don't farm pieces of time. One day I had 4 hours of 2x drop and I didn't get any pieces AT ALL! This is true.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Shidoshi - 2009-09-16
MissingLink Wrote:I don't find this to be true at all. As long as you stick to mobs you can 1-hit (or probably 2-hit for bishops) and pick up most of the drops, you will come out ahead with just the normal (1X) meso, etc and equip drops. Occasional valuable scrolls and MB's are bonus.
It's kinda hard to go and loot every drop from every monster since they will be dying all over the screen. Specially if you don't have a pet.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Morgana - 2009-09-16
Well, okay, let me just use my own experience as a pretty poor, low-LUK bishop with relatively (but not totally) crap equips.
>Sticking to mobs I can 1-2 hit.
This was basically, well, nothing good until my late 13x. Unless you suggest training at Harps, which was maybe 10%/hour even at 121 since I could only 2-hit, and got KSed constantly... I tried Himes with Gen. It was more pots than Harps for more or less the same exp. Yes, when I started to 2hko Skeles, I saw a massive reduction in pot costs. But it's doubtful I'd've even got there without training at Skeles while I 3hkoed... Or I would've had to spend more on NX for 2x cards than pots to not quit. >_>
>Not using Gen.
Okay, I'll admit I haven't tried not using Gen at Skeles since I got it. I don't see it being that viable, though, or saving many pots. The reason is lasers. They cost pretty much the same as throwing off a Gen (at level 15). Now that I 2hko, I can kill them before they laser me if I don't lag. It might be different if I were an A/M and had a strong(er) mob attack. Also note, where are you going to get the SP for AR, Big Bang, and/or Baha during the time you can't 2hko with Gen? The only way to have meaningful points on more than one of those skills, and still have 15-20 Gen by the time you can 2hko, is to skip out on Res and MW. Which sort of defeats the point of playing a bishop, if you aren't going to get your party skills, and especially when you're relying on a party member more than ever to get good exp without Gen. As for Himes with Heal, maybe. Forgive me for hating Himes after 50 levels already there, and far too many lagdeaths to count. :f6:
>HB mule.
Yeah, I have an HB mule. It's great for pot costs. I made it as soon as I could dual log. But not everyone can dual log. And I couldn't, during the time when Gen cost me the most.
>Looting everything.
I loot nearly everything, but only when I have a pet. Truth is, your drops are quite far away from you when you ulti. Even using a pet only every 1-2 minutes takes away maybe 20 seconds I could've been using killing Skeles... Doesn't seem like much, but it's enough for the spawn to pile up. And, if you're not perfect with not KBing Skeles out of your Gen range and you don't 1hko, you'll probably have some aggroed Skeles that will laser the heck out of you while you try to loot.
>Not fun to make mesos/too srs.
I beg to differ... I think that's pretty fun. It's certainly not fun being too poor to train/boss with your friends.
>Relevance to thread.
The thread starter is 17x+ on his A/M and bishop, and has very good equips. Not using an ultimate wouldn't save him much mesos at all, since I'm sure he 1hkos Skeles.
Also note, good luck upgrading your equips at all by just training, with the extreme cost of INT scrolls nowadays. Or, you know, buying MW20 or Gen30, the two biggest boosts to your damage mesos can buy. Without good equips/MW20, too, training with or without Gen would be even slower.
I don't understand why my statement was so controversial... I basically just said that magicians lose money training at high levels. I didn't say everyone else didn't (a DrK friend spends easily 5x what I do on pots), or that there weren't ways to lose less money... merely that it's almost impossible to break even just training, i.e., without some outside source of mesos, the main ones of which I listed. :f6:
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Goals - 2009-09-16
^ Meh I don't need money to upgrade equips yet I'm just broke from scrolling so I need somewhere to start off for merchanting.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Bribery - 2009-09-16
Leeching is better for guaranteed money.
There have been times where I'd train at TT and I'd get like 6 PoT in 4 hours and there are times where I'd get none. I typically only find like 2-3. All of this was with 2x drop in Oblivion 4. Plus, PoT is deflating in Bera. They used to sell for 10m easily but now they're dropping down to the 8m mark.
Selling OHKO Skele leech is like what? 12m/h at least. You could get 48m per day guaranteed in 4 hours. To match that with PoT you'd have to find ~6 pieces in 4 hours.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - aslemn - 2009-09-16
Why not leeching and farming them at the same time? <3
That's how i got most of my time pieces,and got some levels though.
Time Piece Farming VS Leeching - Goals - 2009-09-16
Hmm I remember another alternative for a quick money boost. Since chaos scrolls are 125m + in Bera finding one within 5-6 hours would beat leeching AND pot farming. I think grizzly bears are a good spot can anyone confirm this?