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4th job Single Target DPS - foxtales - 2010-05-05
JoeTang Wrote:[Normal_Average * (1 - Critical_Rate) + Critical_Average*Critical_Rate]/2?
What purpose does the /2 serve here? (sorry its 6am. lol)
4th job Single Target DPS - KaidaTan - 2010-05-05
JoeTang Wrote:[Normal_Average * (1 - Critical_Rate) + Critical_Average*Critical_Rate]/2?I guess that'd work. Still not sure if I want to do it though.
4th job Single Target DPS - JoeTang - 2010-05-05
foxtales Wrote:What purpose does the /2 serve here? (sorry its 6am. lol)
It unnecessarily divides the resulting average number in half, giving an incorrect answer.
4th job Single Target DPS - foxtales - 2010-05-05
JoeTang Wrote:It unnecessarily divides the resulting average number in half, giving an incorrect answer.
Haha oh okay! But yea, this is a pretty big issue when it comes to the Mages DPS with Thorns. Blaze gets hit so hard it pretty much makes Illusion superior. Chain Lightning probably comes out on top because its so fast.
4th job Single Target DPS - KaidaTan - 2010-05-05
Anyway, I'm tired and this would probably require quite a few new rows added in... somewhere. I'll deal with it later. And I already made Blaze and Snow Charge pay attention to elements (and deactivate if the monster is strong to the element), but I haven't uploaded it yet. Tomorrow~
4th job Single Target DPS - Bribery - 2010-05-05
Wow, I'm glad to see Evans with Thorns aren't that bad. They're almost on par with Warriors. But *jaw drops* @ Dual Bladers. I knew they were overpowered but didn't realize how significantly they outdamaged everyone else.
Is there a reason why Arans can have Thorns and SE stacking?
Great job guys.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-05-05
Bribery Wrote:Wow, I'm glad to see Evans with Thorns aren't that bad. They're almost on par with Warriors. But *jaw drops* @ Dual Bladers. I knew they were overpowered but didn't realize how significantly they outdamaged everyone else.
Is there a reason why Arans can have Thorns and SE stacking?
Great job guys.
They can't. I'm pretty sure I turned that off. I'll check in a few hours.
4th job Single Target DPS - MorbidMagus - 2010-05-05
hehe, I was begginging to wonder myself why Evans and Archmages got a similar boost.
Glad its finally fixed, as I originally expected, Evans can outdamage Archmages, but not without the help of a Critical increasing item or skill.
Wow @ the thorns boost though, I may have to make a thorns mule considering the amount of power Evans get with Thorns.
4th job Single Target DPS - FrozNlite - 2010-05-05
Noob question: what is the thorns boost everyone is talking about? I'll edit this post later if the answer was so obvious a couple seconds of looking would have found it; no time to research, though
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4th job Single Target DPS - MorbidMagus - 2010-05-05
FrozNlite Wrote:Noob question: what is the thorns boost everyone is talking about? I'll edit this post later if the answer was so obvious a couple seconds of looking would have found it; no time to research, though
The party skill Duel-Blades have, its like SE that does much more for Melee and Magic classes, oh, and Corsairs.
Since Fury isn't calculated in the calculations here, a fully buffed up Evan with Thorns that is using Fury can be on par with Bowmaster dps :f6:
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-05-05
Is Elemental Reset for Evans the same as the Elemental Reset for Blaze Wizards?
- Elemental Wand bonus always applies
- Does 1 damage to immune monsters
4th job Single Target DPS - MorbidMagus - 2010-05-05
Dusk Wrote:Is Elemental Reset for Evans the same as the Elemental Reset for Blaze Wizards?
- Elemental Wand bonus always applies
- Does 1 damage to immune monsters
Yep.
and also going to state just in case Phantom was reduced by the elewand bonus in the calculations, Darkness elemental attacks are in no way hindered by using a different Elemental wand or staff.
4th job Single Target DPS - Cyanne - 2010-05-05
Dual blade numbers seem more overpowered than they should be, are you sure that mirror imaging is included as a non-critcal +60% per hit and not 1.6x and that final cut is +200% and not 2x? Not saying that you didn't, it's just that the numbers seem a bit inflated and wondering how those were calculated. Also, while I'm here, what are the speeds of boostered chains of hell and fatal blow, and what's the delay of chains of hell?
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-05-05
Cyanne Wrote:Dual blade numbers seem more overpowered than they should be, are you sure that mirror imaging is included as a non-critcal +60% per hit and not 1.6x and that final cut is +200% and not 2x? Not saying that you didn't, it's just that the numbers seem a bit inflated and wondering how those were calculated. Also, while I'm here, what are the speeds of boostered chains of hell and fatal blow, and what's the delay of chains of hell?
Just checked, they are multiplied, so I guess that's a pretty big error. I don't know how any of these skills work, so give me a little time to fix them.
-Same question with Final Cut
Fatal Blow delays (2,3,4,5): 1200, 1290, 1380, 1500
Chains of Hell delays: 1800, 1950, 2100, 2250
+30 ms Dark Sight
Another question: Do Arans get any damage bonus from hitting Ice-weak monsters?
4th job Single Target DPS - MorbidMagus - 2010-05-05
Dusk Wrote:Another question: Do Arans get any damage bonus from hitting Ice-weak monsters?
They do, I don't recall how much though, but I got a pretty powerful increase at Ice weak monsters. I have no idea if Snow Charge gets a damage boost on Ice weak monsters similar to what Paladins/Archmages/evans/etc etc get on Ice weak.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-05-05
MorbidMagus Wrote:They do, I don't recall how much though, but I got a pretty powerful increase at Ice weak monsters. I have no idea if Snow Charge gets a damage boost on Ice weak monsters similar to what Paladins/Archmages/evans/etc etc get on Ice weak.
Hm, according to Fiel's data tables it's 100% elemental. Solves that problem.
4th job Single Target DPS - MorbidMagus - 2010-05-05
One thing I would like to ask, I thought Arans were affected by thorns? Did we get recent information that states otherwise? Because I notice that Arans get no boost from Thorns when I apply it.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-05-05
MorbidMagus Wrote:One thing I would like to ask, I thought Arans were affected by thorns? Did we get recent information that states otherwise? Because I notice that Arans get no boost from Thorns when I apply it.
I dunno ;_;
No idea how anything non-adventurer works. Thorns works based on whether you have a base crit or not, right?
I'm still very confused about the Dual Blade stuff.
I need -
-How many times each attack hits with blade and dagger
-How many times Mirror image triggers for each attack
-How Final Cut is calculated
Is Chains of Hell seriously 24 attacks?
4th job Single Target DPS - MorbidMagus - 2010-05-05
Dusk Wrote:I dunno ;_;
No idea how anything non-adventurer works. Thorns works based on whether you have a base crit or not, right?
I'm clueless, Duel-Blades as a whole are still highly confusing to me, the only information I have about Thorns was in that one thread that stated which class was affected by Thorns, Arans, Evans, and Buccaneers(when the monster is stunned) were listed.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-05-05
Well, I updated everything to the best of my ability based on what I'm reading. The Dual Blade numbers are much more reasonable now (still really high though), but I wouldn't trust them until we can get some verification on how they work.
- Evans now use Elemental Reset appropriately
- Arans use Snow Charge appropriately
- Dual Blades get 60% of their base damage added onto every attack
- Final Cut increases the pre-crit damage of Fatal Blow/Chains by 200% per hit
- Buccaneers no longer get a boost from Thorns
- According to that thread, Arans only get a boost from Thorns when they don't have their combo charged up. This thread assumes a full combo.
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