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Eddikins Wrote:So my friend just played Vayne in a normal with me.

Im not seeing where all the QQ is coming from. The enemy team had Kat and Xin, and yeah Vayne was doing damage, but they would just jump her and kill her in seconds, so why are people saying she has no counter ._.

Quote:Bah im tired of peole saying "Play bots till you are good with your fu'cking champ before you try normals", Stupid bots only teach you how to build and see how your champion is, it doesn't teach you how to play against other champs or other Players for that matter.

Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Apparently Thornmail doesn't work on Vayne's silver bolts. As a person who tanks almost every game, I have exactly zero ways to stop a Vayne short of not getting HP, which severely cripples my play considering that means no Banshee's, Randuin's, or Sunfire.

Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Apparently Thornmail doesn't work on Vayne's silver bolts. As a person who tanks almost every game, I have exactly zero ways to stop a Vayne short of not getting HP, which severely cripples my play considering that means no Banshee's, Randuin's, or Sunfire.

Corn Wrote:You mean like, the 100 armor isn't taken into account, or the 30% reflection doesn't work?

Duelman Wrote:I played as rammus against one earlier and had no real problems. I just waited to maximize on my HP stat until a bit later in the game than usual. He has innate damage return from any auto attack even if it's laced with silver. Frozen heart if you can fit it into your build is sexy against her as well with it's attack speed reduction on hit.

Corn Wrote:The only way to stop true damage in general is to have more hp X_X.

Thank god Cho'Gath has really good HP.

Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Well, it's true damage, so the armour obviously isn't. I was talking about the reflection.



Shen has no use for Frozen Heart, and its attack speed reduction is an aura, the on-hit one is Randuin's. I was talking about reflecting the damage done by silver-tipped arrows, not the autoattack.

Duelman Wrote:Oh yeah I forgot you only play shen for tanks... I haven't had any problems with her on any characters to be honest. She is about as squishy as they come and has little escape, her silver tipped arrows really aren't as much as everyone makes them out to be. It all in all equals out to be like a free madreds bloodrazor that you don't mitigate with MR. If you are mitigating her auto attack damage with armor then it really shouldn't be much of an issue as a tank. Hiten style from irelia does more true damage until late game than vayne does.

You need to get some rammus btw!

Dark Link Wrote:Man, massive reports that Rumble's Ult is failing to actually work. Like you'll use the trigger line point, the Ult will go on CD, but nothing will actually happen.

dante9898 Wrote:Sooooo i keep sucking balls with vayne, little to no improvement lolz.

I wonder why every pineappletard i play with thinks vayne is op?

Rayquaza2233 Wrote:I've considered Rammus, Powerball looks like something that takes time to master.

shouri Wrote:Void staff has 70AP, so the roa's got 53 AP over it in your scenario.

But with an enemy at 150 mres (-60% magical damage), a void staff knocks it down to 90mres (-47% magical damage). An overall benefit of x1.32 damage.

53 AP is only a x1.32 AP boost if you had around 160AP before hand. Any more than that and the 53 AP isnt as big of a damage boost (not to mention AP ratios of .7 or now down to .6)



If you're the only magic dps and (as such) the enemy team isn't building too much mres... then sure the RoA will net you a better benefit, but only marginally. But once you start causing the other team trouble, they'll build at least 1 mres item (such as banshees). And then you'll at least want some mpen over moar AP.