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Ask a Bowman Thread. - Stefire - 2008-10-22
Hi,
Need to ask the necessary skill to train at Goby.
at Lvl84, I have 21 Rain, 13 strafe, 3 puppet and 1 inferno..
I have a hard time and I think puppet get kill too fast... should I up the puppet to 6 before coming here?
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Worthyness - 2008-10-22
Stefire Wrote:Hi,
Need to ask the necessary skill to train at Goby.
at Lvl84, I have 21 Rain, 13 strafe, 3 puppet and 1 inferno..
I have a hard time and I think puppet get kill too fast... should I up the puppet to 6 before coming here?
I would be at pirates personally, money and exp is good well into the late 80's :f6:
I have no goby experience, so i can't tell you any much more. Sorry.
Would anyone mind telling me when is the optimum time to use the NLC % pots? Like at what HP should i be using them for cost efficiency over barbs.
Edit: Anyone have a sharks training guide? I plan on sharking for the green book (i know it is futile, but might as well try right?) after 2x is up for me and i'm out of newties...
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-10-22
Stefire Wrote:Hi,
Need to ask the necessary skill to train at Goby.
at Lvl84, I have 21 Rain, 13 strafe, 3 puppet and 1 inferno..
I have a hard time and I think puppet get kill too fast... should I up the puppet to 6 before coming here?
Try 20 Strafe and 9~12 Puppet. Don't use Puppet on the gobies, use it against Bonefish. Try going pure-AR on the Gobies themselves. This requires waiting for them to come in range on their own, then Jump-AR, and then spam it. It takes a bit of practice, but it's way more efficient than Inferno->Puppet-> AR, or even Bliz-> AE
Worthyness Wrote:Would anyone mind telling me when is the optimum time to use the NLC % pots? Like at what HP should i be using them for cost efficiency over barbs.Eh, something like 5k HP.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Dyxanije - 2008-10-25
Would anyone mind critiquing my Sniper build :o?
Sniper Build - Strafe First v2
Ask a Bowman Thread. - KaidaTan - 2008-10-25
Dyxanije Wrote:Would anyone mind critiquing my Sniper build :o?
Sniper Build - Strafe First v2
I don't know why Snipers always go Blizzard first; it seems like that would do nothing but slow down training since instead of a stronger attack you have a new attack that just wastes time. But I'm not a Sniper so that's really just a pet peeve.
Anyway, mostly it looks good. I would suggest getting AE to 21 before finishing off Strafe. You can put the 6 puppet after AE 11 or AE 21, your choice. But yeah, it's a solid build with a decent amount of Thrust to keep you satisfied.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Dyxanije - 2008-10-25
KaidaTan Wrote:I don't know why Snipers always go Blizzard first; it seems like that would do nothing but slow down training since instead of a stronger attack you have a new attack that just wastes time. But I'm not a Sniper so that's really just a pet peeve.I took you advice and applied it to my build and I must say that it looks much better when I consider common training spots and such. Thanks KaidaTan
Anyway, mostly it looks good. I would suggest getting AE to 21 before finishing off Strafe. You can put the 6 puppet after AE 11 or AE 21, your choice. But yeah, it's a solid build with a decent amount of Thrust to keep you satisfied.
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Revised Sniper build.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-10-25
KaidaTan Wrote:I don't know why Snipers always go Blizzard first; it seems like that would do nothing but slow down training since instead of a stronger attack you have a new attack that just wastes time. But I'm not a Sniper so that's really just a pet peeve.
Anyway, mostly it looks good. I would suggest getting AE to 21 before finishing off Strafe. You can put the 6 puppet after AE 11 or AE 21, your choice. But yeah, it's a solid build with a decent amount of Thrust to keep you satisfied.
Level 1 Blizzard is more to save potions. It's a very versatile skill, and can be used to stop monsters that are approaching, or even spammed in conjunction with Strafe or Iron Arrow when Puppet can't tank enough hits to protect you. It may lower your overall DPS, but it saves money, and it's only 1 skill point after all. I even used to spam Blizzard at Newties to allow my Wife to loot safely.
Dyxanije Wrote:Final Build:Recheck your math, that's only 148 points. You should be able to get level 9 Thrust.
Strafe 30
Arrow Eruption 30
Blizzard 21
Puppet 20
Golden Eagle 21
Mortal Blow 20
Thrust 6
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Dyxanije - 2008-10-25
Kevvl Wrote:Recheck your math, that's only 148 points. You should be able to get level 9 Thrust.
Thanks for pointing that out, it has been fixed.
EDIT: Bleh, I looked at again and noticed I pineappled up some how, trying to fix it again...
EDIT 2: I am still 1 point of Thrust off and I can't find it -_- but the way I am building my Sniper's skills are basically the same.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - KaidaTan - 2008-10-25
Dyxanije Wrote:I took you advice and applied it to my build and I must say that it looks much better when I consider common training spots and such. Thanks KaidaTan
Revised Sniper build.
Oh god no. Take Kevvel's advice and put in a point of Blizzard early. It doesn't have to be at 70, but should be at 71 at least. Blizzard is a massive part of how you train for the rest of your career as a bowman. Depending on where you train, you might think about putting 6 puppet a little earlier, but it's up to you. I'd just play it by ear and see if you need it. You might want to ask the other Snipers/Marksmen their opinion on when to get how much Eagle/Puppet. I have no idea how much it helps you guys to be honest.
I found the mistakes in your points. At level 77 you only applied 1 point to Strafe and did nothing with the other two points. Also, at level 110, you added 3 points to Blizzard (11 to 14) even though it says you added 2.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Dyxanije - 2008-10-25
KaidaTan Wrote:Oh god no. Take Kevvel's advice and put in a point of Blizzard early. It doesn't have to be at 70, but should be at 71 at least. Blizzard is a massive part of how you train for the rest of your career as a bowman. Depending on where you train, you might think about putting 6 puppet a little earlier, but it's up to you. I'd just play it by ear and see if you need it. You might want to ask the other Snipers/Marksmen their opinion on when to get how much Eagle/Puppet. I have no idea how much it helps you guys to be honest.
I found the mistakes in your points. At level 77 you only applied 1 point to Strafe and did nothing with the other two points. Also, at level 110, you added 3 points to Blizzard (11 to 14) even though it says you added 2.
I guess I'll get Blizzard at level 70 since it would better than Strafe 1. As for Eagle, I've heard 21 was good enough but I am not entirely sure.
I fixed the mistakes you pointed out but I think I am still off a few point, I'll fix them later.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-10-25
21's fine. I'm managing great with 20 Eagle.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beowolf - 2008-10-28
Not sure if there is a post your build here thread but this is what I have planned. Good for a Mob Build no?
70 Puppet
71 Mortal Blow
72 2- Mortal Blow 1- AE
73 AE
74 AE
75 AE
76 AE
77 AE
78 AE
79 AE
80 AE
81 AE
82 2 AE 1 MB
83 Blizzard
84 Blizzard
85 Blizzard
86 Blizzard
87 Blizzard
88 Blizzard
89 Blizzard
90 Blizzard
91 Blizzard
92 Blizzard
93 Strafe
94 Strafe
95 Strafe
96 Strafe
97 Strafe
98 Strafe
99 Strafe
100 Strafe
101 Strafe
102 Strafe
103 Mortal Blow
104 Mortal Blow
105 Mortal Blow
106 Mortal Blow
107 2 Mortal Blow 1- Puppet
108 Puppet
109 Puppet
110 Puppet
111 Puppet
112 Puppet
113 Puppet
114 Eagle
115 Eagle
116 Eagle
117 Eagle
118 Eagle
119 Eagle
120 Eagle
End
Puppet 20
AE 30
Blizzard 30
Strafe 30
MB 20
Eagle 21
It is my opinion that Sin's will/should be wiling to train with lower level archers and provide haste in echange for us mobbing things for them. Then we train with them in higher levels and providing SE in exchange for their sexy damage. I myself have found a willing partner to train with from level 70-150 at least. Also, I did Strafe as last atack because I believe that effective bossing for an archer is not until higher levels anywase. So why get a single monster atk when I'm going to be mobbing all the time.
(PS: also helps to have a "cheater" HS mule on a side computer...)
Ask a Bowman Thread. - KaidaTan - 2008-10-28
Definitely do NOT put your first point into Puppet. It will be the most disappointing point you ever used. It only lasts 5 seconds (lol) and has pretty much no HP. If you're going to go for an Eruption-first build, then just skip the puppet until you can find a time to put in at least 6 points.
EDIT: Maybe replace that first point of Puppet with a point of Blizzard or Strafe?
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-10-28
Beowulf Wrote:His Build
Well, first things first, why are you maxing Blizzard? Maxed bliz doesn't even beat Iron Arrow on Ice Weak. Blizzard is not a skill for damage, it's used primarily for the fact that it freezes. Leave Blizzard at level 21. As Kaidatan already said, that first point in Puppet carries almost no use. Get level 1 Blizzard, or level 1 Strafe (I recommend Blizzard), or just work on AE early. If you want to solely mob, you should be at Typhons 85+, and Typhons are Ice immune, so maxing bliz before strafe is pointless. If you want the best experience for a mobbing build, you should either go to Typhons with pure AE, or go to Gobies with Strafe&AE. Blizzard will not be better than Strafe at either of those places.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - psychopat - 2008-10-29
I know I'm nitpicking, but 1 puppet is not useless. It's a long-range disorder and I liked it for the 13 levels that I had it along with 1 blizzard. Obviously, once you get it to 3 and then 6, its use completely changes. I definitely wouldn't use the level 70 point for puppet, though.
I think I started off:
70: blizz
71: 1 puppet, 1 mb, 1 strafe
72-80: 3 strafe
81: strafe (max), 2 mb
82: 2mb, 1 rain
83: 1 rain, 2 puppet
84: 3 puppet
85-93: 3 rain
94: 2 rain (max), blizz
95-97: 3 blizz
I forget whether I got a bit more puppet or went straight for 3 sec freeze after that. I'd probably do it the same way again if typhons hadn't been released...
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beowolf - 2008-10-29
Thanks, I'll consider knocking down the amount of blizard I get. But I would like to point out the reason I chose to go with 1 puppet at the start. Puppet workes best with 2 skills as I see it. Iron Arrow, and again with Arrow Pierce in 4th Job. Yeah, if you end up hunting with Strafe frequently it helps there too I guess, but the Best use as I see it is making a quick mob, sick out the puppet and kill em all in 3-4 hits with IA. (Current hunting 70-75 is at Kappas so low HP is not a factor.)
So, while waiting for 5 levels to have a decent atk with AE I chose to put one point into Puppet and use it in conjunction with the IA untill I can switch mob atacks and thus training methods.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Technolink - 2008-10-30
You're seeing the type of puppet use as tank.
Puppet can be used as tank, or distraction. As a tank you put puppet infront of you and it tanks the damage. This is only effective once puppet is level 12+ and can take many hits from monster. With only 500 hp, puppet is going to die in its 1st or 2nd hit, making it very ineffective.
For distraction, puppet is placed in a spot where it can't be hit, and then used so you can attack freely. This is where its timer comes in, and 5 seconds isn't enough. My build worked out where I had 1 puppet for a level before getting it up to 3, I was at coolies at the time. It had its moments, mostely it "replaced" PKB, I would throw the puppet behind an agro'd coolie and it would go chase that instead. But definately not for mobs, and PKB was far more reliable anyways.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Russt - 2008-10-30
Level 1 Puppet is good for momentary grouping, and making monsters disperse/get off you. Notably, it's very useful when you're trying to get through Forgotten Path in 7x.
I'd take Blizzard over Puppet, though. Get it at 71 if you must.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Worthyness - 2008-10-30
How does one move about the CW guardian map? I want to find me a gold box myself.
How much life is necessary? I have 4k ish HP with a zhelm. level 130.
Thanks in advance!
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-10-30
Max I've seen them do is 5k, so you'd need more than that to be safe.