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A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - meowmixx - 2014-09-08
Theres nothing wrong with voting for MasPan imo. If nothing happens then we know that there is SOME truth to what he says. I still feel you are more of a neutral party than anything else. With that I [vote] MasPan, not that it really matters since you do have majority. We can only hope that the lynching can bring more answers and not more mind boggling questions.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - VerrKol - 2014-09-08
I'd like to respond and defend myself, but the people voting for me haven't offered any reason or logic near as I can tell. Unless you count being suspicious of Shidoshi (who I didn't even vote for) or MasPan, I really don't see where this is coming from unless they're just pushing suspicion off on me.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-08
VerrKol Wrote:I'd like to respond and defend myself, but the people voting for me haven't offered any reason or logic near as I can tell. Unless you count being suspicious of Shidoshi (who I didn't even vote for) or MasPan, I really don't see where this is coming from unless they're just pushing suspicion off on me.Exactly my point. It's just constant flip flopping for no apparent reason. People are barely doing anything. It's like watching a pineappleing playground argument.
"I'M NOT STUPID YOU'RE STUPID. HE'S STUPID."
"YEAH HE'S THE ONE THAT'S STUPID."
It's like half the game is jittery and doesn't know what they're doing.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - ChaoticCJ - 2014-09-08
VerrKol Wrote:I'd like to respond and defend myself, but the people voting for me haven't offered any reason or logic near as I can tell. Unless you count being suspicious of Shidoshi (who I didn't even vote for) or MasPan, I really don't see where this is coming from unless they're just pushing suspicion off on me.
VerrKol Wrote:I really have to agree that Shidoshi looks suspicious. I should have voted for him yesterday in 20/20 hindsight.
[Vote]: Shidoshi;
Umm...wording?
Either way, I want to make it clear that while I don't exactly trust MasPan, we have wasted a whole day on MasPan again. I was hoping by adding my vote that we could get some clarity on other people (even if it wasn't VerrKol) who are simply sticking to the sidelines, but it seem no one wants gain anymore information for today.
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:It's like half the game is jittery and doesn't know what they're doing.
Jeez
MetaSeraphim Wrote:That shows how much I am paying attention. Sorry.
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Salguod Wrote:I haven't said much because I don't know much.
wonder
meowmixx Wrote:We can only hope that the lynching can bring more answers and not more mind boggling questions.
how
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:I wasn't aware that was lethal to the undead
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Polantaris Wrote:Even if the chained to the wall deal was true, which I'm not so sure I believe, as a wight you would still be borderline mindless. It doesn't really make all that much sense to me.
noticed.
Honestly, it is more than half the game that doesn't know what they are doing. I wouldn't fault them for it though. Most of us are left in the dark to trust others because none of us can reveal all of our information without fear of being killed. Not knowing and figuring out is just an aspect of the game.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-08
To be fair, according to the wiki the valyrian steel thing is just a theory so at least I have an excuse for not knowing that :<
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - VerrKol - 2014-09-08
ChaoticCJ Wrote:Umm...wording?
Either way, I want to make it clear that while I don't exactly trust MasPan, we have wasted a whole day on MasPan again. I was hoping by adding my vote that we could get some clarity on other people (even if it wasn't VerrKol) who are simply sticking to the sidelines, but it seem no one wants gain anymore information for today.
I meant that I didn't vote for him when it counted at the end of the day. I do wish I had taken a closer look and probably voted for him in hindsight because of the way votes suddenly shifted at the end and I feel my early removal allowed our two known mafia members to influence the vote significantly. While I still think he acted suspiciously, I do not plan to vote for him without further evidence at this time even ignoring MasPan as a suspect.
How exactly am I sticking to the sidelines? I've already expressed my opinion more frequently and more explicitly than many others, quite possibly including yourself. I will reiterate one final time, it's only a wasted day if MasPan is telling the truth and statistically our odds are still better of lynching a townie than mafia in a blind pick so I feel that it's a good move to make. I'd very much like to gain more information today as well, but short of accruing enough votes that I'm forced to reveal my role I don't see how you're going to do it.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Polantaris - 2014-09-08
[MENTION=3195]ChaoticCJ[/MENTION];
I think you misinterpreted my, "it doesn't really make sense to me."
I was saying that his wight claim makes no sense. If he's a wight, which are mindless, why would he be able to speak to us? That makes no sense. That's half the reason I don't believe his claim. I get that it's altered circumstances to work for a mafia game, but it just doesn't seem right.
The biggest problem is that MasPan has claimed responsibility for the kill prevention, and no one has gone forward to dispute that. But I don't really see why we would have both a kill and lynch proof character, that's ridiculously overpowered. One or the other, sure, but both?
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Olsi - 2014-09-08
Possible he is immune to a night kill. But a lynch kill could be tossing him in fire and killing him that way
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - ChaoticCJ - 2014-09-08
VerrKol Wrote:How exactly am I sticking to the sidelines?
That was just bad wording on my part. I meant "other people (even if it wasn't VerrKol), or others who are simply sticking to the sidelines..." That was more in reference to those who simply bandwagoned.
There are more ways to gain information from people than just voting and forcing people to talk, but I do see your point. To me we aren't wasting a lynch, we still gleam information regardless of how today ends. But I feel like we could have gotten more information during the day if people had focus on more than just Mas and yoshi. Part of it was my fault, as I should have timed my vote and point a bit earlier.
Edit: [MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION];
I was going off of the "I'm not so sure I believe" and the questioning attitude that you(and many other players) still have in the reference to the confusion of the players and their ability(abilities).
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Polantaris - 2014-09-08
Olsi Wrote:Possible he is immune to a night kill. But a lynch kill could be tossing him in fire and killing him that way
Of course, but he claims to be both kill and lynch proof.
He has claimed that he was attacked last night and survived, and us lynching him is wasting a day because it won't do anything.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Olsi - 2014-09-08
I dont think anyone believes that
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Polantaris - 2014-09-08
Olsi Wrote:I dont think anyone believes that
If any of us did we wouldn't be trying to lynch him right now.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - MasPan - 2014-09-08
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Exactly my point. It's just constant flip flopping for no apparent reason. People are barely doing anything. It's like watching a pineappleing playground argument.
"I'M NOT STUPID YOU'RE STUPID. HE'S STUPID."
"YEAH HE'S THE ONE THAT'S STUPID."
It's like half the game is jittery and doesn't know what they're doing.
[COLOR="#cc8899"]I switched my vote almost entirely off of an effort to avoid a no-lynch day, which is just a waste of everyone's time. I'd rather have a townie lynched that we can at least get information off of than a no-lynch that just confirms my power.
Polantaris Wrote:ChaoticCJ;
I think you misinterpreted my, "it doesn't really make sense to me."
I was saying that his wight claim makes no sense. If he's a wight, which are mindless, why would he be able to speak to us? That makes no sense. That's half the reason I don't believe his claim. I get that it's altered circumstances to work for a mafia game, but it just doesn't seem right.
Getting tired of refuting the same argument - Coldhands is also a wight, and also clearly able to speak/act indepedently. I see no reason why I should be any different, nor why this is such a confusing point for anyone who knows the lore...[/COLOR]
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Polantaris - 2014-09-08
ChaoticCJ Wrote:Edit: Polantaris;
I was going off of the "I'm not so sure I believe" and the questioning attitude that you(and many other players) still have in the reference to the confusion of the players and their ability(abilities).
To be fair, no claim should be believed just because the person claimed.
MasPan Wrote:Getting tired of refuting the same argument - Coldhands is also a wight, and also clearly able to speak/act indepedently. I see no reason why I should be any different, nor why this is such a confusing point for anyone who knows the lore...
I was under the assumption that Coldhands was a white walker, I'm not sure why. I looked it up just now and was corrected.
However that still doesn't really make me believe the whole "completely immune to death" thing.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Olsi - 2014-09-08
The general agreement iirc is that Coldhands is that way becsuse of bloodraven and works with his will.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-08
MasPan Wrote:I switched my vote almost entirely off of an effort to avoid a no-lynch day, which is just a waste of everyone's time. I'd rather have a townie lynched that we can at least get information off of than a no-lynch that just confirms my power..Both of us are at a pretty big point of contention here. Lynching a townie is now a good thing because it gives us information? What??? Yeah, it gives us the information that they aren't scum. Genius. Only like 15 more of those and we'll be sure who's town and who isn't! But you know, lynching townies is better than getting information on your supposed lynchproofness.
@Olsi; not saying it's the case, but under the very unlikely scenario that Mas is coldhands, that fact might make the raven make a little more sense, at least flavor-wise.
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Olsi - 2014-09-08
Yea it would make things much more clear, if we find out that maspan is coldhands theres a VERY real chance your claim is real and we should have shidoshi protect you if it works out that way
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - MasPan - 2014-09-08
Polantaris Wrote:To be fair, no claim should be believed just because the person claimed.
I was under the assumption that Coldhands was a white walker, I'm not sure why. I looked it up just now and was corrected.
However that still doesn't really make me believe the whole "completely immune to death" thing.
[COLOR="#cc8899"]I'm not. Fire can and will kill me. I assume that to mean Melisandre, but wildlings commonly burn their dead as well.
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Both of us are at a pretty big point of contention here. Lynching a townie is now a good thing because it gives us information? What??? Yeah, it gives us the information that they aren't scum.
It gives us information based on who voted for them to better enable scumhunting. Why does it always have to be this negative twisting on everything I say with you? It's obnoxious. It's like you don't even try to consider what I'm saying and just immediately come to the worst possible conclusion about it. It gives us information the same way lynching a townie on Day 1 does - it lets us look at who voted for them, what their reasons were, etc. Who started the voting, who was the capstone vote that ensured the lynch...
Also, I'm not Coldhands - he was unable to cross the wall, iirc. I remember that being sortof a big deal what with Sam and Gilly and whatnot.[/COLOR]
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - Olsi - 2014-09-08
And since the wildlings failed in lynching you that means only one person can kill you which means youre a) gonna die from this lynch or b) you and melisandre are both neutral where you win if you she dies and she wins if you die and rest of mafia dies. Which seems unlikely to me
A Song of Ice and Mafia TOWN WINS - MasPan - 2014-09-08
Olsi Wrote:And since the wildlings failed in lynching you that means only one person can kill you which means youre a) gonna die from this lynch or b) you and melisandre are both neutral where you win if you she dies and she wins if you die and rest of mafia dies. Which seems unlikely to me
[COLOR="#cc8899"]Assuming the wildlings didn't fail to kill me simply because they didn't KNOW I was a wight. It's possible that a kill would work the second time once they figure out what they're doing, but my role PM doesn't specify it. It says I can survive attempts on my life in either time period (day/night), but it doesn't explicitly say how many or even if there is a limit.
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In fact, now that I think about it, that would make perfect sense - a failed first attempt but the second, knowing who/what I was, being successful. Well crap. That scares me.[/COLOR]