Words Wrote:The only ones that have voted two days are HolyPie, Olsi, Simple, HyperMug, you and me. I know that I'm town, Olsi was town and I'm inclined to believe HolyPie and Hypermug (not too sure though). Simple seems to vote near the end of the day and you're the one who starts votes and could be leading things somewhere that are not beneficial.

LuvDWayULie Wrote:If you didn't read the post I've edited, why did you target me? I'm just a Pikachu

Words Wrote:Yesterday Olsi was lynched and it all started because of his reaction to Luv's power and we're still discussing whether he's lying or not. That's why I'm thinking that voting Shidoshi and keeping Luv alive is something mafia would do. And I'm not sure I buy the "logistics" thing, Luv was pretty acting pretty scummy day 1 and it seemed like an easy choice to get rid of a mafia or someone that would just end up confusing us.

Words Wrote:The only ones that have voted two days are HolyPie, Olsi, Simple, HyperMug, you and me. I know that I'm town, Olsi was town and I'm inclined to believe HolyPie and Hypermug (not too sure though). Simple seems to vote near the end of the day and you're the one who starts votes and could be leading things somewhere that are not beneficial.

Words Wrote:As for people who haven't voted at all both days, it's only CakesxD who has been claiming weird stuff, meow who is being pretty random too, Polantaris who so far seems to be town but I could be wrong and y0y0y0shi0. About him, it's the start of his post yesterday that I quote below. Anyone can act "helpful/useful" without actually being it, he's not tunneling like Meta did day 1, but he's being helpful while also leading to the wrong lynchs. I guess it's a gut feeling and not something I can prove easily with his posts.

Words Wrote:I don't know if I worded it wrong but that's not what I meant at all. It's the other way around, I think Luv being alive is beneficial to the mafia whether he's mafia or not. Yesterday's lynch was because of a misunderstanding between two people who I believe are townies (at least one is confirmed now) regarding Luv's claim, power and day 1 scummyness... while the mafia could sit back and watch us kill either one, and today we're still wondering if he's really mafia or not.

y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Regarding meowmixx, I'm pretty sure they're a 50% roleblocker.
Since everyone else has already done it, yolo I might as well do it to. I'm Alakazam, a disabler. I disabled Meta both nights. The first night I did it because he was being oddly aggressive towards Luv. And then nobody died that night, so I figured I might as well do it again, just in case me disabling him was the reason there wasn't a kill. My chances of success decrease by 25% each successive use on the same target, but this refreshes if I change targets. So last night I was supposed to have a 75% chance of disabling him again. BUT, last night I was kissed and started feeling dazed, followed by stung and feeling sick (poisoned), and my chances of disabling were halved to 37.5% (thus 50% roleblocker).

y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Edit: @above:
I can completely see where you're coming from there. My posts this game have been "off" too and haven't really been..uhh...concurrent(?) with most of my other mafia games.

LuvDWayULie Wrote:If you didn't read the post I've edited, why did you target me? I'm just a Pikachu

meowmixx Wrote:don't take it personally dear. i was in a very trolly mode with a grin on face all day. i did hint big time as to wat i do. i have a hard time keeping secrets. also YAY for kinda guessing Paras/Parasect (i demand a cookie damnit!)

as for tht date...do u really want a night out with someone who is currently eating mushrooms in an omelet as i type this?

Holypie Wrote:So what, that's uhhh, four role blockers now? It's a wonder anything gets done. And wtp is with these result PMs coming in the middle of the night? Okay I'm going to post a better response after I eat breakfast.

y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Since everyone else has already done it, yolo I might as well do it to. I'm Alakazam, a disabler. I disabled Meta both nights. The first night I did it because he was being oddly aggressive towards Luv. And then nobody died that night, so I figured I might as well do it again, just in case me disabling him was the reason there wasn't a kill. My chances of success decrease by 25% each successive use on the same target, but this refreshes if I change targets. So last night I was supposed to have a 75% chance of disabling him again. BUT, last night I was kissed and started feeling dazed, followed by stung and feeling sick (poisoned), and my chances of disabling were halved to 37.5% (thus 50% roleblocker).

Holypie Wrote:So what, that's uhhh, four role blockers now? It's a wonder anything gets done. And wtp is with these result PMs coming in the middle of the night? Okay I'm going to post a better response after I eat breakfast.

Kyrastri Wrote:50% as in chance or effectiveness? I was stopped completely from using spores on luv (I couldn't "spread" them) during night 1.

Now that I think about it, maybe it's not that I can't see how y0y0's pushing for lynches but rather that I don't know how he usually plays :T

TheBirds Wrote:i would just like to point out that i voted both days as wellwhat is up with the invisible mode lately, luv?

Kyrastri Wrote:edit: pineappleing post of the year sorry guys......

I thought it was because of Olsi's reaction to Verr, who defended Luv. There is only one reason why I would justify defending luv, and the reason why I haven't voted for Verr yet is because I'm waiting for his response to people wanting to push him. There is not much that will convince me of his innocence right now, but I know he's in between a rock and a hard place right now because of it.

Sorry, maybe I'm tired but I don't really understand what you mean by "... an easy choice to get rid of a mafia or someone that would just end up confusing us". Where did mafia come into play in that sentence? Shidoshi didn't confess to being mafia. Could you clarify that?



Um, you missed a few Words (eyy) there. Assuming you believe that HP and Hyper are town. Simple's really been coming off as suspiciously silent to me, but I'm waiting on him to start doing something. If nothing happens today I am voting him tomorrow, I guarantee it. Day 4 is not the time to be silent. Honestly they should be much more active day 3 (and day 2, bloody hell) as well, but I'm willing to risk being a sucker to let the guy have a go.

At this point I feel like you're just going to target the bandwagon starter, regardless of who it is. y0y0's right in that a majority of this game has been theorising (I admit I'm partially at fault, I'm generally uncomfortable voting for ANYONE to be killed but I want to help town so I post theories) and it's a slow game in terms of scum hunting. I don't like that you're trying to 'kill this game off' in a sense; we need to encourage starting votes, not condemn them.

Note that Polantaris voted Olsi during Day 2.

While he's leading to the wrong lynches, if the mafia is careful it'd be a natural result that we're lynching the wrong people. I understand that it's a gut feeling but all I see is that it implies that the mafia is trying not to pull a digital mafia fallout like the last game, where once one person fell the rest followed.

... okay I can't interpret posts :c (or you can't word them! >:C)

He's a chaotic player, yes, but his presence if he's a townie is pivotol during the later days and he shouldn't be lynched because he causes trouble. As a compromise, we should be leaving him alive but take posts where he has little evidence with handfuls of salt. I personally really hate his suspicion posts, too much gut feeling is being practically psychic at that point, which is why I'd rather just stop him from doing any harm to the town while keeping him around. Which is why I disagree with your vote, even if the game becomes easier without his chaos.



50% as in chance or effectiveness? I was stopped completely from using spores on luv (I couldn't "spread" them) during night 1.

Now that I think about it, maybe it's not that I can't see how y0y0's pushing for lynches but rather that I don't know how he usually plays :T



... I explained this during day 2; in the spoiler box thing called "dat kyrastri logic". To summarise and add onto:

- I believe in minimising potential damage rather than fixing existing problems. (no offense). Like I said to Words, just because you're chaotic doesn't mean that you can't be useful to us; by minimising your impact on the game (minimising the effects of chaos I guess), we can solve this and reduce the impact of potential harm. If you're a mafioso, it still works because we're hindering you.

- Town roleblockers are a dime a dozen, and we can't confirm whether your paralysis will actually work 100% of the time or not. Guessing that paralysis is the same regardless of application, my role has the potential to be nearly identical to yours but it also has the potential to be useful.

- I don't believe one bit that you're Pikachu. The OP said that Pokemon here are fighting to be in Hoenn, but why would the mascot of Pokemon ever need to fight? I believe that you're an electric type, but I don't think you're Pikachu. Pikachu would be way too innocent a claim and I believe that that is exactly what you're aiming for.

- I wasn't sure during day 2 what my ability did. Nothing you had done during the second day alleviated my view of you (I no longer thought you were scummy, though), and nobody came off to me as more suspicious. That's why I tried to target you again, and why I sent my PM in so early; because I knew who I wanted to target.



haha :3 I won't take it personally! And that was some stellar guessing from my grass breadcrumb... I originally meant it as in "I eat grass", but now that I think about it parasect might not eat grass... so I guess you did well :U



Honestly I'm pretty suss of it too... But then again it'd make more sense if I can do other stuff with spore and have a CD on it, rather than a plain roleblock with a cooldown. Meow is a pure roleblocker and she could use it every night; it'd be pretty stupid to give me the same thing but with a CD.

Kyrastri Wrote:I'm more inclined to believe that the role forcer is town. If mafia were targeting CJ deliberately because they were doctor, why not force their protect over your ability? They'd be able to protect their own that day from roleblocks/other threats. I might expand more on this by producing an edited HyperCakes theory.

Polantaris Wrote:

1. HolyPie - Seems overly helpful to town...but I dunno. I almost feel like he's fishing for information more than anything else.

Words Wrote:Yes, I messed up he was neutral and not town. I somehow missed that in my notes. Anyway, I'm going to reply to you, Kyrastri, HolyPie and Polantaris next:
Yesterday Olsi was lynched and it all started because of his reaction to Luv's power and we're still discussing whether he's lying or not. That's why I'm thinking that voting Shidoshi and keeping Luv alive is something mafia would do. And I'm not sure I buy the "logistics" thing, Luv was pretty acting pretty scummy day 1 and it seemed like an easy choice to get rid of a mafia or someone that would just end up confusing us.

Kyrastri Wrote:I don't believe one bit that you're Pikachu. The OP said that Pokemon here are fighting to be in Hoenn, but why would the mascot of Pokemon ever need to fight? I believe that you're an electric type, but I don't think you're Pikachu. Pikachu would be way too innocent a claim and I believe that that is exactly what you're aiming for.

LuvDWayULie Wrote:If I could have showed you my role PM, I would. I'm really Pikachu.. I dunno why on earth would Niernen put a mascot into the battle, but he did. I really can't prove myself, and this makes me even more frustrated at myself

Polantaris Wrote:[Side note; in the next 4 hours I'll be gone for the rest of the day due to my family event. It starts at about 1PM EST, but preparations and such will make me inactive sooner.]

Gah...I did not think for a second that ChaoticCJ was our doctor. I suspect a lucky guess from the Mafia. Did anyone get a hint that he was the doctor? Maybe I missed something because I haven't been as into this game as I usually am able to be.

So let's go over who's still here. If I miss anything, please let me know. As I said I've not been able to be as active as I would like this game due to real life obligations, so I might be missing a detail or two.

1. Words - Not sure of the logic that Words is using. Also, Words has directly linked playstyles to how he played when he was mafia...but that just points out how he's playing differently. That doesn't really prove he's not mafia. I feel like he's intentionally pointing out how he played mafia last time, to appear non-mafia because, "Look, I'm playing differently!"
   
2. HolyPie - Seems overly helpful to town...but I dunno. I almost feel like he's fishing for information more than anything else.
   
3. MasPan - Analyzes a lot and gives a lot of input. Seems pretty town, but who knows, MasPan is an expert player.
   
4. CakesXD - Seems to have claimed Snorlax (unless I'm utterly oblivious). This would imply neutral. Their ability is likely Rest/Sleep/Rollover/whatever, and cannot target anyone. I have no idea what this would do.
   
5. MetaSeraphim - Hasn't claimed a role, which is unusual. Perhaps doesn't want to be a target? Has been noted that Meta was just a tad hostile yesterday.
   
6. meowmixx - Jinx? I'm not really sure. Some weird posts from this player.
   
7. xBTAx - Seems to be helpful, but I don't really have much on xBTAx.
   
8. LuvDWayULie - Claimed Pikachu. Has sorta confirmed Electric type power (ThunderShock?). Doesn't mean he's pro town. I want to know who he electrocuted last night.
   
9. Polantaris - Claimed a Rock/Ground Type Pokemon. Is town (because I'm me, and I know I'm town =P).
   
10. Kyrastri - Very helpful to town, as usual. I don't think Kyra is mafia. Those giant posts would eventually contain a huge slip up, so I don't think Kyra would continue to post posts of that volume unless they were an evil genius or just excessively confident. No offense intended.
    
11. Simple - Has said very nearly nothing. I expect to see a lot from this player over the next two (real life) days.
    
12. y0y0y0y0shi0 - Hasn't really given all that much, that I can find. Expecting to see more.
    
13. VerrKol - Was a target yesterday, had said some pretty scumish things and everyone was on their back before the focus shifted to Olsi.
    
14. TheBirds - Claims they're only really active starting on Day 3. So prove it. Also claimed Magikarp. Expecting an evolution murderlation anytime now.
    
15. Hypermug - New player. Hasn't done very much that I remember. I expect more from them over the next two (real life) days.
    

Out of the people remaining, my most suspicious (in no particular order) are: VerrKol, y0y0y0y0shi0, Hypermug, Simple, MetaSeraphim, and Words.

I'm going to [Vote] VerrKol. I think we should go back to the fact that VerrKol said some pretty scummy things yesterday, and then focus was switched over to Olsi...and people kinda forgot that VerrKol wasn't all that town-like. I don't want people to forget that Words said some pretty weird things just now, too, but VerrKol is also pretty important. I'll be back before the day ends, so I'll be able to change my vote if necessary.

Simple Wrote:One good night and then one bad night. I know I have been quiet but I've just been watching the game trying to get a feel for it so I am sorry about that. I plan on being more active though.

Holypie Wrote:Okay I'm going to roleclaim. I know it's early and I don't want a repeat of what happened in Bad Apple, but trust me, this could either work beautifully or blow up in my face. I'm Gastly, and I can use Dream Eater to find out the alignment of sleeping pokemon. On night 1 I investigated Luv and got him as town, and on night 2 I found VerrKol to be guilty. So with this I'm going to [vote] VerrKol.

Hypermug Wrote:Strictly intuition makes me cautious of MasPan, Words, and MetaSeraphim, from least to greatest. I don't know what pokemon MasPan is, but he is arguing strongly for the town, so meh. Same with Words. Meta just gives me an odd feeling.

Holypie Wrote:Okay I'm going to roleclaim. I know it's early and I don't want a repeat of what happened in Bad Apple, but trust me, this could either work beautifully or blow up in my face. I'm Gastly, and I can use Dream Eater to find out the alignment of sleeping pokemon. On night 1 I investigated Luv and got him as town, and on night 2 I found VerrKol to be guilty. So with this I'm going to [vote] VerrKol.

MasPan Wrote:[COLOR="#cc8899"]Just doing some listwork based on types. Assuming all pokemon claims are true, we have:

2 Grass (Myself/Bulbasaur, Kyrastri;/Parasect)
3 Poison (Myself, Holypie;/Gastly, and whoever poisoned Yoshi0)
1 Bug (Kyrastri)
1 Ghost (Holypie)
2 Water (VerrKol;/Squirtle, @TheBirds/Magikarp)
3 Psychic (y0y0y0y0shi0;/Alakazam, Shidoshi/Mewtwo, meowmixx;/Jynx)
1 Ice (Meowmixx)
3 Normal (ChaoticCJ/Chansey, Olsi/Clefairy, CakesXD;/Snorlax)
1 Rock/Ground (Polantaris;/???)
1 Electric (LuvDWayULie;/Pikachu)

I'm a bit surprised that we haven't seen a Fire, Flying, or Fighting type. Flying might show up if TheBirds can evolve, and there are a few people who haven't claimed, but I'm a bit surprised at some of these numbers. There's nothing saying Niernen made the game with a remotely even balance of types, especially considering he apparently gave people preference pokemon if they asked. Just more information when evaluating claims I suppose.[/COLOR]

Holypie Wrote:Okay I'm going to roleclaim. I know it's early and I don't want a repeat of what happened in Bad Apple, but trust me, this could either work beautifully or blow up in my face. I'm Gastly, and I can use Dream Eater to find out the alignment of sleeping pokemon. On night 1 I investigated Luv and got him as town, and on night 2 I found VerrKol to be guilty. So with this I'm going to [vote] VerrKol.

meowmixx Wrote:if Holy is telling the truth, wont he just die during the night?

TheBirds Wrote:i feel like holy is telling the truth and wouldn't bother making this up and i believe he is the cop, but i also believe that mas is right that there is a good chance of holy being a random or insane cop in which case if verr ends up innocent we'll have to decide what to do tomorrow. but for now because of holy and the way verr has been acting i will be placing my vote on him. [Vote]VerrKol