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I don't think Madoka ever will become a magical girl. I find it interesting that she is the main character, but is one of the weak, "Muggle" characters while all the characters around her are risking their lives and turning bad.
If anything it's more horrific seeing it from her perspective.. she was a normal happy little girl until she met Mami, who died horrifically in front of her eyes, now her best friend is going down the same path, and she is powerless to stop it. All the while being pressured by a creepy, constantly smiling evil little beast who wants her to basically sell her body and soul for slavery, in order to get the power to protect her friends. As she learns more and more about what happens to Magical Girls, like finding out about the Soul Gems.
It looks like her magical girl outfit is more of a "Bait and Switch" than anything, since she made up the outfit herself, and so maybe the opening is a dream. It shows her dressed up in a frilly outfit, talking and laughing with her friends and getting into all sorts of funny exploits, all while showing her breaking down crying. With the way the opening and ending scenes seem to be evolving as the episodes go along, who knows what it could mean?
The opening could be hinting nothing, for all we know. I'm still going to make a bet on the fact that she won't be come a Magical Girl until the semi-last or final episode. At the rate things are going, I doubt she'll give up her soul to Kyubey any time soon.
Sn1perJohnE Wrote:GoSick - 7 - Awesome episode. I want to guess that the current chief is the killer, but im not sure...
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Pretty sure it's the Chief. I mean, he's the chief "witness". All that they know about the night of the murder was from his testimony. If he was the murderer, he could've easily framed Cordelia by coming up with some story and have her exiled from the village.
Khoi Wrote:The opening could be hinting nothing, for all we know. I'm still going to make a bet on the fact that she won't be come a Magical Girl until the semi-last or final episode. At the rate things are going, I doubt she'll give up her soul to Kyubey any time soon.
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Opening might possibly be showing a different timeline where Madoka actually does become a magic girl. If you notice, Homura doesn't have many appearances in it. It's mostly Mami, Sayaka, and Madoka. Homura may not have played too much of a big role in the previous timelines, and she went back to prevent Madoka from becoming a magical girl, for whatever reason. The OP shows the three having a nice time, with fun magic girl adventures, but that's obviously not what happens. It also shows some times where Madoka is crying, or running somewhere far, while staggering and such.
Opening might possibly be showing a different timeline where Madoka actually does become a magic girl. If you notice, Homura doesn't have many appearances in it. It's mostly Mami, Sayaka, and Madoka. Homura may not have played too much of a big role in the previous timelines, and she went back to prevent Madoka from becoming a magical girl, for whatever reason. The OP shows the three having a nice time, with fun magic girl adventures, but that's obviously not what happens. It also shows some times where Madoka is crying, or running somewhere far, while staggering and such.
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Ooh, you do have a point. Mami was depicted as 'alive' during the opening. I'm going to completely make a guess on this, but I think Homura was probably the last Magical Girl in an entirely different timeline and must have met Madoka way before. Something must have happened to Mami, Sayaka, and Madoka in the other timeline and I'm guessing that Homura is going back in time to stop them. It actually does make sense, because you're right about how Homura wasn't shown a lot in the opening. I'm just rehashing what you and several others said, but yeah.
Or, in the case that I am wrong, my 2nd speculation will be that Madoka somehow will make a "wish" that prevented all of this from happening. But it's going to be some sort of wish that should do two things:
a) Mami didn't die
b) Sayaka is still a Magical Girl
I guess it's hard to say at this point, because we're over half-way and there's still not a lot of hints as to what the outcome might be. They have to make a 2nd series though, assuming this will be a 12 episodes series. Otherwise, I'd feel as if there's a massive hole in the story that a lot of people won't understand.
Also, I always wondered about this. Assuming that a person was about to become a Magical Girl, couldn't that person make a wish for herself to grant invincibility / invulnerability? That way, the person would technically never die or get damaged. Or what about immortality? I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up in the series yet. INB4 indestructible Magical Girl. `-`But then if the soul gem would be too far from the body, I guess they would die regardless. Hmm.
What's up with the other pink-haired girl in the OP? Are we assuming that's older Madoka?
I was thinking... what's Kyuubey getting out of this? He's not taking their souls, just moving 'em around a bit. He only eats the seeds after they're used to soak up some corruption from the soul gem. Either he's a unique trash disposal (inb4 Kyuubey trash can that opens on his back), or he's getting some sort of evil power from those evil seeds. Or maybe girls sins just taste delicious.
And Spidey, you are (and/or hang out around) people who are way too good at speculation. No idea how you can have so many ideas about why what's what.
Token: Amazing music on Gosick, other shows are great too, <3 Fractale, Dragon Crisis is going a nasty fanservice/harem direction and I hope they knock it off, etc etc.
Madoka so far is the only girl without any real wish and the only girl without any regrets (but regrets seem to come after becoming a Mahou Shoujo). So the show is definitely centered around her even when she isn't kicking ass and drinking tea. At least all the events up until now will play a role in her decision in whether or not she'll becoming one in the end; 7 episodes into the season, I don't think she's gonna decide to step up and kickass for the remaining 4-5 episodes. We're obviously building something into Madoka right now. She isn't as useless as she seems on the surface.
I was thinking... what's Kyuubey getting out of this? He's not taking their souls, just moving 'em around a bit. He only eats the seeds after they're used to soak up some corruption from the soul gem. Either he's a unique trash disposal (inb4 Kyuubey trash can that opens on his back), or he's getting some sort of evil power from those evil seeds. Or maybe girls sins just taste delicious.
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Kyuubey falls somewhere into lawful or chaotic neutral in morality. Kyuubey seems evil because of how he seems to be constantly pressuring Madoka to become a Puella Magi and his indifference to potential danger to the Puella Magi such as the fight between Sayaka and Kyouko, but in reality, Kyuubey just lacks human compassion and seems confused about humans. The incident with Sayaka's Soul Gem in episode 6 demonstrates is a very good example. The only thing he cares about is to make sure there will always be a supply of Puella Magi to replace deaths and so forth and can effectively control the witches in a region, which makes him lawful.
I genuinely do think that Kyuubey himself does not want anything out of making little girls battle the witches, but it's possible that Kyuubey is only a servant who answers the true "Devil"/Mephistopheles figure of Madoka if the Faustian ties mean any thing.
There's a few interesting ideas I've considered when it comes to the Grief Seeds, though; but they'd require other theories to be true.
A somewhat popular theory is that the witches are actually fallen magical girls. Some of the things that hint towards this are that Grief Seeds= G.S.; Soul Gem= S.G; the two being reversed initials of each other. If this is the case, it's possible that Kyuubey is doing this whole magical girl thing as a way to harvest more and more negative energy from the Grief Seeds. This is how it works: create magical girls- many of whom will die against witches and become witches themselves while some will collect Grief Seeds for him, collect more Grief Seeds and have more magical girls die, and repeating over and over again. In so, it'd work somewhat similarly to a Ponzi scheme, something that Kyuubey makes already very clear in his recruitment tactics. He's tried to recruit two people who are already friends (Madoka and Sayaka) so that one of them could try to lure the other into joining by one of them joining, which we've already seen. In episode 5, Kyuubey constantly tries to convince Madoka by saying that she should in order to protect her friend; and before that, we've seen Sayaka herself trying to convince Madoka to consider it. Whole process consists of attracting the girls into joining, and then continuing the cycle.
The other theory that I've come up with a while back is much more plain, but is similarly founded on the concept of the Ponzi scheme. It's said that if enough negative energy gets taken into the Grief Seed, the witch will revive. May be possible that either Kyuubey recycles witches who have been downed by other magical girls that the magical girls in another area haven't seen, or can create entirely new ones out of the negative energy; and he prevents their goal of destroying all of the witches by bringing witches back. Very flawed thought because it doesn't take Kyuubey's character into account much, but an interesting one.
KaidaTan Wrote:And Spidey, you are (and/or hang out around) people who are way too good at speculation. No idea how you can have so many ideas about why what's what.
PSAssassin Wrote:For the people who are interested, this site has a lot of information, theories, and speculation regarding Madoka Magica. http://wiki.puella-magi.net/
There's your answer. This is part of where Spidey comes up with all of those theories. The other part is visiting the Madoka threads on /a/. Some of the discussions of Madoka on /a/ have actually been very good, and brought some interesting theories to the table. If it wasn't for /a/, we wouldn't have been able to crack the "code" behind the runes and read them. Speaking of those blasted runes, the scary part is that I can read those blasted things without looking at anything for reference after translating all sorts of images on /a/ threads or within the episodes.
Gonna watch Madoka 7 later, and I'll comment about Madoka and its relation to Steppenwolf later.
What's up with the other pink-haired girl in the OP? Are we assuming that's older Madoka?
Obviously that's just Kyubey molesting her to turn her into a magical girl, like he did to Sayaka. Or should I say like she did.
No really, that is a bit of a mystery.
KaidaTan Wrote:
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I was thinking... what's Kyuubey getting out of this? He's not taking their souls, just moving 'em around a bit. He only eats the seeds after they're used to soak up some corruption from the soul gem. Either he's a unique trash disposal (inb4 Kyuubey trash can that opens on his back), or he's getting some sort of evil power from those evil seeds. Or maybe girls sins just taste delicious.
slight speculation that still seems pretty likely
The grief seeds are tainted soul gems of magic girls. When the gem gets completely black, they probably turn into witches, but it probably takes a lot of sin for it to become that black. Someone took this speculation and made a really nice chart of it last week:
KaidaTan Wrote:
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And Spidey, you are (and/or hang out around) people who are way too good at speculation. No idea how you can have so many ideas about why what's what.
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Well, I read lots of mystery stuff, and those are all about picking up on small clues and trying to find out what's going on. When watching this and talking about it online with others that are doing this as well, we pretty much help each other by picking up on things the others didn't get, or building up on each others ideas. I honestly wouldn't have been able to crack the runes that appear in the series (and no, they haven't been abandoned, someone posted that in EP7's witch fight the runes were still there, but they were kind of blended into the background). Stuff like that can only really be done with cooperation, I don't really think it's something a single person can do quickly.
And of course, lot all the speculations are correct, but when you create a lot of plausible ones, one of them is bound to be at least partially correct.
Kunagisa Wrote:Obviously that's just Kyubey molesting her to turn her into a magical girl, like he did to Sayaka. Or should I say like she did.
No really, that is a bit of a mystery.
slight speculation that still seems pretty likely
The grief seeds are tainted soul gems of magic girls. When the gem gets completely black, they probably turn into witches, but it probably takes a lot of sin for it to become that black. Someone took this speculation and made a really nice chart of it last week:
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Well, I read lots of mystery stuff, and those are all about picking up on small clues and trying to find out what's going on. When watching this and talking about it online with others that are doing this as well, we pretty much help each other by picking up on things the others didn't get, or building up on each others ideas. I honestly wouldn't have been able to crack the runes that appear in the series (and no, they haven't been abandoned, someone posted that in EP7's witch fight the runes were still there, but they were kind of blended into the background). Stuff like that can only really be done with cooperation, I don't really think it's something a single person can do quickly.
And of course, lot all the speculations are correct, but when you create a lot of plausible ones, one of them is bound to be at least partially correct.
So, going by your chart there...
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Kyubey is just the "angel from the heavens" kind of character, in that he is just disconnected from the world of humans. This would kind of make sense with the wishes being seen as "miracles" here and there, rather than just wishes. When I think of a wish, I think of something I need that I could eventually get myself, but when I think of miracles, its something I will almost never achieve on my own, or in any realistic realm. Given that, Kyubey really could be good, but is unable to see what his actions do wrong for the girls, as he is disconnected from humans.
Now, I say this, because why would Satan, who walks once a year collecting grief seeds, need Kyubey to collect them? It would just be redundant. I also see Madoka as having great potential because her soul gem would be able to last longest in fights, meaning she would not have to cleanse her gem as often as Sayaka or Homura would.
Freezing - 7 - Awesome fighting, but they really are ratcheting up the power levels fast with each episode. Sad story for why Satella doesnt like being touched.
Kyuubey falls somewhere into lawful or chaotic neutral in morality. Kyuubey seems evil because of how he seems to be constantly pressuring Madoka to become a Puella Magi and his indifference to potential danger to the Puella Magi such as the fight between Sayaka and Kyouko, but in reality, Kyuubey just lacks human compassion and seems confused about humans.
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So Kyubey is a "perfectly rational being", then? He only seeks to complete his job, regardless of how cruel it may be. He's not affected because he isn't swayed by feelings.
Freezing Ep 7 - Well, looks like Satella does have immense potential...but she can probably only tap on that Berserker Mode when she's nearing death, so it's not very practical at this point.
Kazuya's probably gonna snap sooner or later. All the fighting has gotten to him quite a fair bit - his Freezing did "level up" and all - I think his stigmatic body *might* allow him to utilise Volt Weapons in the future. Just imagine; he can already use an omni-directional Freezing. If he becomes able to use Volt Weapons...
One thing strikes me as odd: If Chiffon is the top-ranked Pandora in the entire bloody Academy, and is capable of taking out with a single hit someone who nearly killed Satella...why the hell was she so afraid of her all this while? =.=
One thing strikes me as odd: If Chiffon is the top-ranked Pandora in the entire bloody Academy, and is capable of taking out with a single hit someone who nearly killed Satella...why the hell was she so afraid of her all this while? =.=
You answered the question yourself, she has immense potential.
Kimi ni Todoke 3-6: Good, but not as engrossing as last season. Also a bit too dramatic for my tastes.
Index 19: What I really hate about this show is the random crap they spew. I've mentioned Touma's talking before, but now it's the guy who beat up Accelerator who won't shut up. At least he's going to get his ass handed to him by Sphinx
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I'm a bit confused by the timeline though. Did the scene with Vento happen before the scene with Accelerator?