Stereo Wrote:How do players get mesos in the first place? Selling items they have/find. The more hackers flood the market, the less possible it is for players to find valuable items through legit methods. Prices go down on items players have as well as items hackers are selling.

It's good for the hackers because they get rich, it can also be good for the merchants who know prices better than hackers do - it's not good for the average player.

CarrionCrow Wrote:Not to mention cubing to perfection gets so pointless only the most stupid of all idiots would do it. Every item will come with 32932 attack and be at unique already, duped and not netting Nexon a dime. From their standpoint as well as all from us who ever cubed anything, that is bad. Why the hell would I, or anybody for that matter, cube our full 140 sets to legendary when the stats we get out of it is a piss in the Nile compared to what will be common end game equips unless nexon acts? It leaves us to either join or leave. I will quit since I refuse to touch illegitimate crap like that.

Not to mention it would be plain stupid to make any kind of investment, time or money, in a game where the management shows us how little they value their own product. In the name of profit, let the missfits not only rule the game, but also how the profit is generated. Forget everything about corporate pride. Money talks.

MissingLink Wrote:You are confusing dupers with botters. This thread is about hackers making crazy-stat equips and duping them. They are not going to flood the market with anything.
Botters are who make mesos and previously valuable items like scrolls and pieces-of-time near worthless.

Blades4hire Wrote:1/4/12
The day Global Maplestory died.

happylight Wrote:You have to look at it as how other players are affected.

Hackers holding godly equips -> Does not affect anyone.
Hackers becoming 200 -> Does not affect anyone.
Hackers taking up training spots -> Adversely affect people's enjoyment of the game since they can't train.

More godly/duped equips in the market -> Good for everyone since prices will be cheaper.
More duped mesos in the market -> Bad for everyone since prices will be more expensive.

Nexon knows how to run an MMO. Look how fast they take the game down when there's an meso exploit. Those of you who say Nexon should take the game down while they figure this out have no idea how to run a game. Taking the game down affects EVERYONE. Some hackers holding ill-gotten items, while having insane stats, affects no one.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:The death of old bad MapleStory, the birth of an all new totally cool MapleStory.

MapleStory: Rebirth!

lorx Wrote:You're implying these items have not and will not be sold to players that don't hack.
I'm not. They will and it would be better for everyone if everyone is stronger.

You're implying these items will not stick around longer than the Familiar hack.
I'm not. They will and it would be better for everyone if everyone is stronger.

You're implying these items are small enough in number to be basically nonexistent.
Again. I'm not and quite the opposite.

You're implying these items will be cheap.
They will not be cheap. But they will cause all other items to be cheaper.

You're implying LHC isn't already hacked 24/7 by that spawn rate thing, and that Future-land isn't vac'd 24/7 by botters.
Spawn rate increase only benefits everyone. Therefore don't care.

You're implying the funding hackers will get from selling these items won't fund them to do even more.
I don't care if someone is rich. Neither should anyone IMO.

You're implying somebody with these items can't "Adversely affect people's enjoyment of the game since they can't train." as they come in and KO your map with their overly-high damage.
If anything the average player can better defend themselves because everything else is cheaper. Monsters only have so much HP and being stronger after a point has diminishing returns.

I could go on if you want. I not trying to be cruel, but you really aren't thinking *ahead*.
You're the one who's not thinking in terms of everybody. You're only thinking in terms of your own sense of morality. I got news for you. This isn't good vs evil, nor legits vs hackers, nor us vs them. There is no such thing as justice. Bad things don't necessarily happen to bad people. Murderers and rapists go free everyday. I'm not saying we shouldn't catch them or that we shouldn't fix exploits. I'm saying preventing everyone on the planet from working while the police is trying to catch someone who stole to become a billionaire is silly.

happylight Wrote:There is no such thing as justice.

Razmos Wrote:It's funny, i play this game completely solo. I don't do party quests, i don't do pvp, i don't do bossing or any of that crap, i just play because i enjoy playing. Hell, i never even use the free market unless it's absolutely necessary.

maplefreak26 Wrote:

Alloy Wrote:You see JUSTICE. I see MAFIA.

lorx Wrote:@MissingLink, these items will be set to a price where people will buy them, that's the point of selling something. If you don't market it at a price the buyers can justify spending, you make no money.



You're implying these items have not and will not be sold to players that don't hack.
You're implying these items will not stick around longer than the Familiar hack.
You're implying these items are small enough in number to be basically nonexistent.
You're implying these items will be cheap.
You're implying LHC isn't already hacked 24/7 by that spawn rate thing, and that Future-land isn't vac'd 24/7 by botters.
You're implying the funding hackers will get from selling these items won't fund them to do even more.
You're implying somebody with these items can't "Adversely affect people's enjoyment of the game since they can't train." as they come in and KO your map with their overly-high damage.

I could go on if you want. I not trying to be cruel, but you really aren't thinking *ahead*. If nexon came in and plugged up both hacks right now, which one would affect the game's community more? More level 200's, an achievement hit by people daily by abusing LHC hack even without the Familiar hack's help? Or items that will continue to plague whatever's left of the economy and player gear balance relative to other players?

MissingLink Wrote:This thread is about hackers making crazy-stat equips and duping them. They are not going to flood the market with anything.

Quote:Only a tiny percentage of players will be willing and able to pay $500 for a glove. For the average player, it is of no more concern that whatever Ferraris are currently selling for.

CarrionCrow Wrote:I'm amazed that some people think an mmorpg will be fun if everybody runs around with the exact same gear, gotten the exact same way, with the exact same stats. And that is not even touching the cheat aspect of it. Not to mention a game without certain rules become a playground for retarded babies. It can probably be fun for a while, but it has absolutely no future as a profit generating game. Anarchy is only profitable for those that sell the weapons to the idiots.

QSCX Wrote:Everything happylight posted was on-point, except the opinionated ones about things being good/bad. You're bending the meaning of happylight's words when you say something like "You're implying these items have not and will not be sold to players that don't hack." This was in response to "Hackers holding godly equips -> Does not affect anyone." Merely holding godly equips does not affect anyone, so happylight is correct. There are no assumptions or implications being made, it's just a fact. The counter arguments you're providing are taking happylight's points out of context.