Rigumaro Wrote:Well, you may be right... Testing this is hard, cause I don't really have a way to know the exact hp a monster has after I attack it. I tried again and seems like they maybe stack, just only one shows.

Alloy Wrote:Try this: Use the damage over time on a monster that would go to 1 hp if both staked. Then, try with them separately, and together too. Be creative! There's ways. I'd love to get my hands on it just to test stuff like that D:

donovan Wrote:4. Decreasing the Matk increase from Blessing
4. Bless giving more of an advantage than Medi is senseless, Archmages are the attackers

LegendGospel Wrote:Enjoy ranting everytime a Bishop blesses you in a party.

Also your argument makes no sense. Overall Arch Mages got stronger magic. And you got Elemental Amplification. And you got Elemental Reset. And you got Booster. And you got Meditation.

Bishops have Bless. And the lowest damage in game. =)

Don't give me that "but your a support class lol" crap. Supporting at bosses = lowest experience from all party. Low DPS = slowest training in game. Holy Symbol barely makes up for that at training. At bosses it doesn't.

I just don't see why you're asking to nerf the weakest job in the game. o_o

Alloy Wrote:I wouldn't call it weakest, though. It's simply a different style. They kill less, but they get more exp from Holy symbol, and at bosses, they don't contribute to damage directly, but they help others increase theirs, while making the run safer.

Not overpowered, not underpowered, just interesting to use.

Random_Overlord Wrote:Think final fantasy, when have you ever seen a white mage attack rather than use holy at high levels?

Alloy Wrote:I wouldn't call it weakest, though. It's simply a different style. They kill less, but they get more exp from Holy symbol.

Alloy Wrote:at bosses, they don't contribute to damage directly, but they help others increase theirs, while making the run safer

LegendGospel Wrote:Sure, I know what Bishops are for. It's only that they'll get astronomically less EXP from the boss than what attackers get. But well, nothing's changed on that: last Zak Run I went to I made less than 2% while some attackers got more than 10%. And I did had Bahamut out all the time, as well as made a few Genesis casts. In this case it's different style for poor result.


So, Arch Mages... why do you want to nerf this skill that will benefit everyone more than Bishops themselves? :O

JoeTang Wrote:White Mages fucking destroy everything at high levels in pretty much every Final Fantasy.

LegendGospel Wrote:If anything, it would be really cool to have some sort of 4th job skill that works like Regen from Final Fantasy. So we don't have to be stuck to the attacker healing them all the time. Instead let them receive little heals while we're away and full heals when we're close to them. Sticking to someone to heal them just doesn't work for 4th job training. A regen-like skill would probably also be cool for bosses, in case we get stunned at Targar or Zak, and whatnot.

FrozNlite Wrote:That's a WICKED awesome idea, and I wish they implemented something like that for Bishops. Something like an "Advanced Heal" for 4th Job or whatnot. Or hey, just throw "Regen" through the thesaurus-name-generator like Nexon does with everything, and call it that. I think that would definitely be a useful, awesome skill for Bishops that would help even more. I mean, think about HT. Six man squads would be even easier because surviving mass seduce would be simple with little regen buffs around everyone.

Also, I hope they consider Bishops and their EXP gain from bosses now that all ultimates have cooldowns. We know that ultimate leech was perhaps one of the largest factors involved in the previous change to the Party EXP formula, and while I'm not suggesting the whole formula be returned to what it was BEFORE, or revamped AGAIN, it should at least consider what Bishops do at bosses to help make it more worthwhile.

donovan Wrote:Bishops out do even Archmages when it comes to training speed whether it be solo or party, this is because of available mobs at higher levels. Anyway I have both and I accept that Bishops are a support class.

FluffyFoxxie Wrote:Most of the mobs were changed drastically, and I believe chief oblivion guardians are the new highest level mob, so, I think AMs still have the upper hand.

FrozNlite Wrote:That's a WICKED awesome idea, and I wish they implemented something like that for Bishops. Something like an "Advanced Heal" for 4th Job or whatnot. Or hey, just throw "Regen" through the thesaurus-name-generator like Nexon does with everything, and call it that. I think that would definitely be a useful, awesome skill for Bishops that would help even more. I mean, think about HT. Six man squads would be even easier because surviving mass seduce would be simple with little regen buffs around everyone.

hadriel Wrote:I think every boss PQ will have an ArchMage if you can Seal bosses like HT or PB... Seal mule? I wonder what's going on for Threaten right now...

Hadriel

Fiel Wrote:I think it's a very scary, bad idea. It'd be great for some bosses, like Zakum. But for bosses that can cast zombify (CHT, CZak, PB), you'd be screwing over your own party members. Let's hope, though, that the new HP increases for everyone makes it so heal is less of a requirement for bossing and more of a nice thing to have.