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[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Lozmaster - 2009-11-20
Takebacker Wrote:And i say it will. Arch mages = at bosses for damage. Evans = higher damage than arch mages. Arch mages = no useful support skills whatsoever. Evans = extremely useful support skills. Therefore evans = replacing arch mages at bosses.
The argument is redundant, because basically EVERY class has higher damage than mages at bosses, adding one more class which has higher DPS is just another drop in the bucket. By any strech of logic, they should already be replaced with the current classes following this method of thinking.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Takebacker - 2009-11-20
Lozmaster Wrote:The argument is redundant, because basically EVERY class has higher damage than mages at bosses, adding one more class which has higher DPS is just another drop in the bucket. By any strech of logic, they should already be replaced with the current classes following this method of thinking.
Why mages even go to bosses in the first place is beyond me.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Dusk - 2009-11-20
Takebacker Wrote:Why mages even go to bosses in the first place is beyond me.
Then I don't see what's being replaced. The archmages that don't exist at bosses? People aren't going to ditch Archmages for hunting/training purposes.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Takebacker - 2009-11-20
Dusk Wrote:Then I don't see what's being replaced. The archmages that don't exist at bosses? People aren't going to ditch Archmages for hunting/training purposes.
People wouldn't want to train with an AM after the party exp change anyway.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Dual - 2009-11-20
[COLOR="Green"]With party EXP nerfed, training with anyone is barely worth it, unless they are a Bishop with HS, and even then it's pushing it. This guy just rapes the hell out of the last shreds of AMs.
On a side note... L> All Ultimates to have 60 second cooldown.[/COLOR]
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Dusk - 2009-11-20
Takebacker Wrote:People wouldn't want to train with an AM after the party exp change anyway.
AMs train themselves too
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - MetaSeraphim - 2009-11-20
Dusk Wrote:AMs train themselves too
Not being able to go on boss runs, and not being able to even leech people. All Arch Mages will kill themselves.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - TamilTiger1 - 2009-11-20
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:I think someone said the MP for evan will be like 44~48. Then it's like
Adventurer/KoC: 22~24 + 20 + k
Evan: 44~48 + k
Where k is a constant depending on int value. It wont' change depending on the class.
I think that person said 44~48 mp at a certain level (something close to level 30). I'm pretty sure the person saw that from the videos he watched over few level ups. So that means that 44~48 already has the 'k' included, i don't think the base mp increase is 44~48.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Dusk - 2009-11-20
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Not being able to go on boss runs, and not being able to even leech people. All Arch Mages will kill themselves.
Not everyone plays to boss/sell leech. Right now I'm only levelling so I can kill at O4 (and future training spots) more effectively. The only bosses I ever fight are Pap and Zak, which Archmages can fight just fine. I care more about making my character more powerful all around than being able to kill a certain boss.
And who says Archmages can't boss at all? They just suck at it. The requirement to do pretty much anything in this game is just to have friends/acquaintances who are willing to do it with you.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Schrono - 2009-11-20
DualReaver Wrote:[COLOR="Green"]With party EXP nerfed, training with anyone is barely worth it, unless they are a Bishop with HS, and even then it's pushing it. This guy just rapes the hell out of the last shreds of AMs.
On a side note... L> All Ultimates to have 60 second cooldown.[/COLOR]
I have a better idea, all 4th job skills have a 60 second cooldown
.Edit since I don't feel like adding another post: I don't think there'd be anything wrong with adding a cooldown to the ultimate skills for arch mages, so long as all of the other skills we have are beefed up to compensate somewhat for the change, and the mp cost is drastically reduced for them.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Dusk - 2009-11-20
Schrono Wrote:I have a better idea, all 4th job skills have a 60 second cooldown
That would be pretty hilarious, I have to admit.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Typhoon - 2009-11-20
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Not being able to go on boss runs, and not being able to even leech people. All Arch Mages will kill themselves.
I don't understand.. like Dusk said, not all AM's live to leech or sell leech. And how is a mage with a cooldown on their ultimate better than a mage w/out one especially for a boss like HT where maintaining wyvern spawn is a must.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - IsaacGS - 2009-11-20
MrFry Wrote:haha thats what I was thinking Aran Evan Ivan O U lolI look forward to Ovan class then.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Sarah - 2009-11-20
IsaacGS Wrote:I look forward to Ovan class then.
And sometimes Zvan.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Teppi - 2009-11-20
Typhoon Wrote:I don't understand.. like Dusk said, not all AM's live to leech or sell leech. And how is a mage with a cooldown on their ultimate better than a mage w/out one especially for a boss like HT where maintaining wyvern spawn is a must.
i have rarely seen mages @ ht and bishop can use genesis to kill those if really need...if not a warrior (usually drk) stays down to clear the spawn
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - MrFry - 2009-11-20
IsaacGS Wrote:I look forward to Ovan class then.
Then a Uran i suppose.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - KaidaTan - 2009-11-20
Teppi Wrote:i have rarely seen mages @ ht and bishop can use genesis to kill those if really need...if not a warrior (usually drk) stays down to clear the spawnWe just use Bishops for that.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - DeanNim - 2009-11-20
IsaacGS Wrote:I look forward to Ovan class then.
Why not Ovarie while youre at it ?
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - ChaosCorpse - 2009-11-20
IsaacGS Wrote:I look forward to Ovan class then.
Same here. (Is still pissed that Orange Round Shades were removed from the CS.)
Who wants to bet following the line of stereotyped plots that one of the next classes will be someone seeking vengeance because a high ranked member of the Black Wings (correct me if I screwed up the name) messed with their family at childhood and placed a dark curse on them with the power of the dark magician carried within it.
Anyway, more on topic; these guys are one hell of a jack of all trades. I don't know for sure about their power and such, but to have basically all elements, a KB skill, critical, outstanding buffs and revival skills, MP berserk, and an overall badass looking dragon they certainly make a good first impression.
[1.2.267] Evan Info & Skill Tables - Typhoon - 2009-11-20
Teppi Wrote:i have rarely seen mages @ ht and bishop can use genesis to kill those if really need...if not a warrior (usually drk) stays down to clear the spawn
we use AM's all the time for body fight. people dont realize how much damage they can actually give out on the body.