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The revealed potential thread! - Rinax - 2013-08-03
![[Image: BrandingEdge-PartingStorm_zpsd0f8d60b.png]](http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/m1ch5ll5/media/BrandingEdge-PartingStorm_zpsd0f8d60b.png.html)
Got this on my main account. No money on my alternate...
I still don't know if total damage is better than attack or vice versa.
My friend just got 7% HP (1% from bonus pot). Damn.
The revealed potential thread! - Lore - 2013-08-04
Starting with no pot at all, 1 unique pot 30%, 1 potential stamp and 1 regular cube later:
![[Image: 3TIMZ.jpg]](http://puu.sh/3TIMZ.jpg)
This works for me.
The revealed potential thread! - thejman250 - 2013-08-04
Takebacker Wrote:It is, but the total is still additive. The multiplicative effect only gets calculated when you're actually applying damage.
- I hear all about PDR being multiplicative and I've yet to see any proof.
- As such, do you actually have any proof that PDR is multiplicative, or are all of these just baseless claims?
- If you actually happen to have proof, I'd love to see it.
The revealed potential thread! - Takebacker - 2013-08-04
thejman250 Wrote:- I hear all about PDR being multiplicative and I've yet to see any proof.
- As such, do you actually have any proof that PDR is multiplicative, or are all of these just baseless claims?
- If you actually happen to have proof, I'd love to see it.
Chaos vellum.
The revealed potential thread! - thejman250 - 2013-08-04
Takebacker Wrote:Chaos vellum.
- So basically, this is all conjecture about why people's damage is being reduced on said boss and you don't actually have proof that Nexon uses this formula in their code?
- Well, concession accepted. However, If this isn't the case, please feel free to elaborate.
The revealed potential thread! - Takebacker - 2013-08-04
thejman250 Wrote:- So basically, this is all conjecture about why people's damage is being reduced on said boss and you don't actually have proof that Nexon uses this formula in their code?
- Well, concession accepted. However, If this isn't the case, please feel free to elaborate.
It's just obvious ok. If it were still additive and applied as additive everyone would be hitting a 0% pdr target instead of the 1s they are hitting if they don't have enough pdr to bring him down to less than 100% reduction.
The revealed potential thread! - thejman250 - 2013-08-04
Takebacker Wrote:It's just obvious ok. If it were still additive and applied as additive everyone would be hitting a 0% pdr target instead of the 1s they are hitting if they don't have enough pdr to bring him down to less than 100% reduction.
- Yes, so this is basically conjecture because you don't know why your damage is being reduced on certain bosses. Moreover, it appears that there is no actual proof to prove that this conjecture is actually true.
- I understand.
The revealed potential thread! - Takebacker - 2013-08-04
You're such a troll. Onto the ignore list you go.
The revealed potential thread! - Dark Link - 2013-08-04
thejman250 Wrote:- Yes, so this is basically conjecture because you don't know why your damage is being reduced on certain bosses. Moreover, it appears that there is no actual proof to prove that this conjecture is actually true.
- I understand.
Are you serious? People just don't randomly go from doing 30+ mil to doing ONE damage against a boss when they have 97% PDR Ignore, if PDR Ignore was still additive. Physical Resistance doesn't cut your damage by 100%.
The revealed potential thread! - thejman250 - 2013-08-04
Dark Link Wrote:Are you serious? People just don't randomly go from doing 30+ mil to doing ONE damage against a boss when they have 97% PDR Ignore, if PDR Ignore was still additive. Physical Resistance doesn't cut your damage by 100%.
- So basically, because you are ignorant of the reason why people's damage is being reduced, the lot of you have come up with the conjecture that PDR is multiplicative.
- The only problem here is that you cannot prove such. Hence, it's a baseless claim and I honestly hope that you don't expect me to believe what you say without proof.
The revealed potential thread! - Dark Link - 2013-08-04
thejman250 Wrote:- So basically, because you are ignorant of the reason why people's damage is being reduced, the lot of you have come up with the conjecture that PDR is multiplicative.
- The only problem here is that you cannot prove such. Hence, it's a baseless claim and I honestly hope that you don't expect me to believe what you say without proof.
Want proof? Do basic math.
Assume PDR ignore is still additive.
Let's say you do 1,000,000 (1 Million) damage.
Chaos Vellum has 300% PDR
You have 97% PDR Ignore. That means 9% of your damage will be reduced, which is 90,000 less damage (1% = 10,000). This would mean you would do 910,000 damage to Chaos Vellum.
Now use the multiplicative standpoint from the example I linked previously.
Quote:31% dark harmony passive
30% codex
15% light washing
10% trait
6% cards
300*0.69*0.7*0.85*0.9*0.94=104.19% PDR
This would mean Chaos Vellum's PDR drops from 300% to 104.19%. Considering PDR reduces your damage by that amount of %, you're going to go from doing 1,000,000 to doing 1, because your damage is reduced by 104.19%.
I'll ask you again. Explain to me how you go from doing 30 million damage to doing 1 damage IF PDR ignore was still additive and you have 97% PDR Ignore? Physical Resistance cuts damage by 50%, which is still 15 million damage.
The revealed potential thread! - Takebacker - 2013-08-04
Dark Link Wrote:Want proof? Do basic math.
Assume PDR ignore is still additive.
Let's say you do 1,000,000 (1 Million) damage.
Chaos Vellum has 300% PDR
You have 97% PDR Ignore. That means 3% of your damage will be reduced, which is 30,000 less damage (1% = 10,000). This would mean you would do 970,000 damage to Chaos Vellum.
Now use the multiplicative standpoint from the example I linked previously.
300*0.69*0.7*0.85*0.9*0.94=104.19% PDR
This would mean Chaos Vellum's PDR drops from 300% to 104.19%. Considering PDR reduces your damage by that amount of %, you're going to go from doing 1,000,000 to doing 1, because your damage is reduced by 104.19%.
I'll ask you again. Explain to me how you go from doing 30 million damage to doing 1 damage IF PDR ignore was still additive and you have 97% PDR Ignore? Physical Resistance cuts damage by 50%, which is still 15 million damage.
It's 9% reduction in the first example. 3% of 300% is 9%, so damage is 910,000. Your overall point is the same and just as correct. Just sayin.
The revealed potential thread! - thejman250 - 2013-08-04
Dark Link Wrote:Want proof? Do basic math.
Assume PDR ignore is still additive.
Let's say you do 1,000,000 (1 Million) damage.
Chaos Vellum has 300% PDR
You have 97% PDR Ignore. That means 3% of your damage will be reduced, which is 30,000 less damage (1% = 10,000). This would mean you would do 970,000 damage to Chaos Vellum.
Now use the multiplicative standpoint from the example I linked previously.
300*0.69*0.7*0.85*0.9*0.94=104.19% PDR
This would mean Chaos Vellum's PDR drops from 300% to 104.19%. Considering PDR reduces your damage by that amount of %, you're going to go from doing 1,000,000 to doing 1, because your damage is reduced by 104.19%.
I'll ask you again. Explain to me how you go from doing 30 million damage to doing 1 damage IF PDR ignore was still additive and you have 97% PDR Ignore? Physical Resistance cuts damage by 50%, which is still 15 million damage.
- Basic math proves nothing, when what you are trying to prove is what Nexon has actually written in their code. However, showing that Nexon actually uses this math in their code is the only thing that can prove that such a formula is used.
- So basically, you are conceding the fact that none of you know why your damage has decreased. Well, concession accepted.
- Oh, and I would advise you not to attempt to fallaciously claim that if someone else cannot fathom an answer, than the answer that you can fathom must be correct. Such is yet another version of the fallacy of ignorance, and it is incredibly illogical to say the least.
The revealed potential thread! - KhainiWest - 2013-08-04
thejman250 Wrote:- Basic math proves nothing, when what you are trying to prove is what Nexon has actually written in their code. However, showing that Nexon actually uses this math in their code is the only thing that can prove that such a formula is used.
- So basically, you are conceding the fact that none of you know why your damage has decreased. Well, concession accepted.
- Oh, and I would advise you not to attempt to fallaciously claim that if someone else cannot fathom an answer, than the answer that you can fathom must be correct. Such is yet another version of the fallacy of ignorance, and it is incredibly illogical to say the least.
The thing is they can prove it based on math, for it to be "fallacious" would be to demonstrate another hypothesis that would contradict the previous "guess". That's basically how all facts are created.
Until you present another possibility, it's then indisputable, that includes proving the math incorrect, thus making it a coincidence. Until you can meet those two previous conditions, what you're saying is wrong and you have yet to demonstrate you have a coherent understanding of what is considered "opinionated". The line is a complete blur to you :|
The revealed potential thread! - Tim군 - 2013-08-04
thejman250 Wrote:- So basically, because you are ignorant of the reason why people's damage is being reduced, the lot of you have come up with the conjecture that PDR is multiplicative.
- The only problem here is that you cannot prove such. Hence, it's a baseless claim and I honestly hope that you don't expect me to believe what you say without proof.
I took the liberty of taking some screenshots of my CRA equips. In addition, since the Unlimited UI shows how much PDR an equip add, maybe this will show that PDR is indeed multiplicative.
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The revealed potential thread! - KhainiWest - 2013-08-04
Tim군 Wrote:I took the liberty of taking some screenshots of my CRA equips. In addition, since the Unlimited UI shows how much PDR an equip add, maybe this will show that PDR is indeed multiplicative.
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He won't take that answer because it's not GMS.
(though you're absolutely correct and that's enough evidence for anyone else)
The revealed potential thread! - koplje - 2013-08-04
thejman250 Wrote:- Oh, and I would advise you not to attempt to fallaciously claim that if someone else cannot fathom an answer, than the answer that you can fathom must be correct. Such is yet another version of the fallacy of ignorance, and it is incredibly illogical to say the least.
This is so pretentious it hurts. There's been evidence of how PDR works for ages.
The revealed potential thread! - Dark Link - 2013-08-04
Takebacker Wrote:It's 9% reduction in the first example. 3% of 300% is 9%, so damage is 910,000. Your overall point is the same and just as correct. Just sayin.
I originally had it at 9%, but 2nd guessed myself and changed it to 3%. I SHALL FIX SAID ERROR!
The revealed potential thread! - Eliul - 2013-08-04
Hope you guys ain't letting him russle your jimmies.
Also, didn't know ambition ignore def didn't work. That blows.
The revealed potential thread! - thejman250 - 2013-08-04
Tim군 Wrote:I took the liberty of taking some screenshots of my CRA equips. In addition, since the Unlimited UI shows how much PDR an equip add, maybe this will show that PDR is indeed multiplicative.
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- Actually screenshots of in game events do not prove what formula Nexon actually uses in their code.
koplje Wrote:This is so pretentious it hurts. There's been evidence of how PDR works for ages.
- Oh, is that why you have yet to present proof that Nexon actually uses this alleged formula in their code?