Eddikins Wrote:Just did my first normal with Eve, didnt go too well but i did fine in my opinion 4/5/9

I ganked first blood which was fun, ganked a couple more times, then the enemy team just started buying oracles and roaming as 1 big group. Eve has no place for teamfights other than clean up when people are low or incorrectly positioned, so it was 4v5 fights, and we didnt really have any good stuff. We had a Veigar that was one of those people that locks in and requests a tank, who was uber squishy and all our damage. We had no AD and our tank was Nasus, so in the end we just lost because i had nothing to provide other than backdooring and we had no damage..

Oh but they were scared as hell. 3 oracles, 4 pink wards in lanes, and pink wards in mid when they pushed mid as a 5 lol.

dante9898 Wrote:I need some good lee sin ideas, mine have been sucking since he seems.... weak?

I don't know what it is...

>Pineapple' Wrote:Way late.

He's bad.

ElectricSix Wrote:He's not bad, he's average. He's average in ganking ability, average in jungle, average in lane, average in team fights, average in damage, average in health, etc. He's pretty much a perfect example of a jack of all trades, master of none champ. Which of course means he's not nearly as good of a pick as someone who has something they excel at, assuming you can play them well enough. Part of it is due to the energy system, part of it is due to his passive, and most of it has to do with his q, w, and e all being halfway decent, but not spectacular. There are better shields, better gap closers, and better aoes. If I had to pick a way to improve him, I'd probably throw out his e, and give him something that would help his team fights, and also buff his shield some. Maybe give it a bonus effect shared to all team mates when cast upon one or a % damage based one instead of a flat physical damage one. I'd probably have his E send out shockwaves around him, knocking up enemies for varying amounts of time depending on the distance from him in a circle around him. That would actually make him pretty well suited to his current kit. He'd fly into a carry, use his knock up, hit them a few times, kick the carry out, and then hopefully have enough energy to shield out. <.< Of course that's just my thoughts on how to improve him.

Phoenix Wright Wrote:When they roam as 5, split off and start pushing lanes and knocking down towers, or kill dragon. If you're using wards you should be able to do both safely and get away in time.

Duelman Wrote:Eddikins: 5man premades are always more difficult than lesser premades. The reason is that you will only be matched up against other 5v5 groups, so
you more than likely will fight a team that is experienced together as a group.

I generally stick to 4man premades for the win, only 1 moron to worry about.

ElectricSix Wrote:He's not bad, he's average. He's average in ganking ability, average in jungle, average in lane, average in team fights, average in damage, average in health, etc. He's pretty much a perfect example of a jack of all trades, master of none champ. Which of course means he's not nearly as good of a pick as someone who has something they excel at, assuming you can play them well enough. Part of it is due to the energy system, part of it is due to his passive, and most of it has to do with his q, w, and e all being halfway decent, but not spectacular. There are better shields, better gap closers, and better aoes. If I had to pick a way to improve him, I'd probably throw out his e, and give him something that would help his team fights, and also buff his shield some. Maybe give it a bonus effect shared to all team mates when cast upon one or a % damage based one instead of a flat physical damage one. I'd probably have his E send out shockwaves around him, knocking up enemies for varying amounts of time depending on the distance from him in a circle around him. That would actually make him pretty well suited to his current kit. He'd fly into a carry, use his knock up, hit them a few times, kick the carry out, and then hopefully have enough energy to shield out. <.< Of course that's just my thoughts on how to improve him.

>Pineapple' Wrote:Yeah, he's average. But he's bad. You won't carry a game being a good lee sin.

ElectricSix Wrote:No, you can carry a game with Lee Sin, but it requires that the enemy team be made of mostly late game champs and the game ending early. He's average during all parts of the game, so if you have a lot of champs who have a crappy early game up against him, he can effectively shut them down then. Of course the opposite is true too, if someone has an uber strong early game, they'll crush him early game because he's just average. Some of that can be mitigated by the person playing the champ, but other parts can't.

And Kaj, yeah Nidalee is a pretty average all around champ, although I don't think you can really do hybrid on her, so something on her will be weaker than other parts. I guess you might be able to come up with a hybrid build that works, but I think it'd be ridiculously expensive and leave her less useful than specializing would. Then again I don't play Nidalee so maybe I'm wrong. XP

ElectricSix Wrote:It gets kind of tiring going Amumu/Malphite most of the time due to my team lacking hard cc, and while his snare isn't quite as good as a knockup or stun, it does wonders against anyone fleeing.

KajitiSouls Wrote:Or you could get better at skillshots in general. Just because Maokai's snare is a point-click-win skill, doesn't mean it has its own downfalls; the most obvious one being that you can't blind shot someone in the fog of war or grass.

You could also try to get a more consistent internet connection. Seriously, if I would choose between connectivity that stutters between 50 ms and 200 ms, or connectivity that is constantly 200 ms, I would choose the constant 200 ms connection. Of course, this is speaking about playing some online games.

In terms of interrupts, Maokai only has one, just like Amumu and Malphite (ult).

ElectricSix Wrote:An excellent Shen player is going to have excellent map awareness, skill awareness, champion awareness, etc