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Fabulous Free Market Deals - Sn1perJohnE - 2009-03-11

i had an fm deal that i didnt think to take a SS of D: got a 78 clean maple shine wand for 1 mil :\ blew it up later after passing 1 30%, failing another, guess ill scroll the wisdom staff then :|

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Sivrat - 2009-03-12

Harrisonized Wrote:Wrong, wrong, wrong. You'd be a retard NOT to make a profit in MTS, since converting would take... 10%+100 tax. That's why when you convert by buying NX, it's 1:4. However, realistically, if you convert using items, it's NEVER 1:4 unless you get a good deal in the server.

Which is what I was pointing out. Don't sell in server for small profits, sell only for the larger profits, or when you accumulate so much NX (for me it's around 10K) that you feel like using or converting it.Good luck. TongueYou rarely have to scour FM at all, only when you need help determining prices (if they have deflated/inflated) or if you're just looking for a conversion factor. Also, although every server has different economies, their NX:meso ratio is pretty definite, and you have to figure out what's best to use for conversions. For Scania, I find it pretty efficient to use 8atk wgs for conversion, while on other servers it may be different.


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 Anyways, on topic
Not that bad, but not that great either. A decent 3K profit.

the ratio in khaini is 1:4 at the lowest, or 1:5, which is about average. Some may even buy as high as 1:6 or so, if they are desperate. 1:5 is about the average though. Different economies means value of each meso is different, in terms of what it can buy. MTS makes the NX stabilize to a certain value, at least as far as the items that can be bought in mts. While for the most part, it is a good idea to MTS to profit as far as NX goes, as you do, you realize too that some things are cheaper in other servers then yours, and go into mts for less NX than would be the conversion. For example, in khaini i just found out, glowing whips rarely sell for more then 14mil, but in mts sell for 4k or so(variable upon the stats). Buying 4k nx in khaini would cost 16-20mil, so already you've done something worthwhile. I still dont spend enough time in MTS to figure out too much more, but i am sure there are scrolls or items that would cost net me profit by buying and selling in fm, then turning around and buying things like glowing whips, and selling those in MTS. I mean, if NX:meso ratio was same across servers, why do you have individuals who utilize cross server merchanting?

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Stereo - 2009-03-12

Can't do much with 600 nx, but I need another 4000 (for inventory space) so...

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ps. S> Independence Day Hats!

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Sn1perJohnE - 2009-03-12

ehh, 600 nx is more than you would think sometimes. i got a bundle of 2 face avoid 70%s for 221, resold for 600(x/tax) each.

Missed a dam 8 att glove for 3k soon after that tho <_<

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Stereo - 2009-03-12

Yeah, someone put a 9 SCG in for 221 but I missed it Sad Some guy clicked it faster.

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I needed a dex/int and it came to me, cheap too ^^ (pac is 1 atk, glove 4 atk)

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Harrisonized - 2009-03-13

Sivrat Wrote:the ratio in khaini is 1:4 at the lowest, or 1:5, which is about average. Some may even buy as high as 1:6 or so, if they are desperate. 1:5 is about the average though.
That's about the same as Scania.
When buying directly, it's 1:4.
When converting (using items), it's 1:5.

However, I have yet to see someone buy 1:6 so lol at the desperate people.
Sivrat Wrote:Different economies means value of each meso is different, in terms of what it can buy. MTS makes the NX stabilize to a certain value, at least as far as the items that can be bought in mts. While for the most part, it is a good idea to MTS to profit as far as NX goes, as you do, you realize too that some things are cheaper in other servers then yours, and go into mts for less NX than would be the conversion.
Yes, I know that. I once speculated that I could make a stable profit by buying something that's cheaper in MTS and selling in server and then buying something cheaper and selling in MTS.

However, I quickly found that in such a cycle, almost as soon as an individual starts that, he'll bring the prices down in one end and the prices up in the other, maintaining some sort of homeostasis, in which then he'd have to find something else to sell, which there isn't really a lot of. The popular items are ALL balanced to the economy it is in, and speed is a goal when MTSing. The faster you can buy/sell, the more money you'd make, even if you do not gain as much of a profit as someone patient enough to keep an item there for a few weeks, you will make up and surpass the loss from your speed.
Sivrat Wrote:For example, in khaini i just found out, glowing whips rarely sell for more then 14mil, but in mts sell for 4k or so(variable upon the stats). Buying 4k nx in khaini would cost 16-20mil, so already you've done something worthwhile.
The same goes for Newspaper hats.
However, these are the items that tend to be rare, and once you make this kind of trade a lot, the prices will begin to fall into a balance. The most you can probably utilize any one item to do this MTS-server trading is around a week.
Sivrat Wrote:I still dont spend enough time in MTS to figure out too much more, but i am sure there are scrolls or items that would cost net me profit by buying and selling in fm, then turning around and buying things like glowing whips, and selling those in MTS. I mean, if NX:meso ratio was same across servers, why do you have individuals who utilize cross server merchanting?
Then again, you'd have to defeat the tax for it to be worthwhile. Remember that a shop takes 2% and MTS takes away 10%+100. That's 12%+100 every loss, which is why you don't see many individuals doing this kind of business.

Cross server merching is quite different from MTS-server merching. Cross server merching is transferring a mule to another server and then transferring back. Whenever someone does this, they use REALLY high priced items that cannot be MTSed.

A while ago, Mastery Books were the hot items, as other servers could not down horntail and high leveled people were demanding for skillbooks. It would be easy for someone to make 500m+ transferring a character, which would cover the server transfer and then give the player a nice payout.

Also, elemental wands and staves were a good transfer item, as when you transfer out a wand or a staff, the price in that server inevitably goes up due to lack of quantity.

Now I don't know what the good cross server merching items are, but I speculate Marks of Naricain will be pretty good (for the less developed servers), as well as Big Bang 30s. I don't engage in this type of trading though so I'm not going out of my way to discover all the items that are good for transfers.


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For the case of WillDaSnail, his deals were not enough to defeat the tax, and therefore not a very good item to be MTS-server selling.

Fabulous Free Market Deals - MyLove - 2009-03-17

 Catch of the Past Couple Days

These are REAL catches... Rolleyes

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Granada - 2009-03-17

MyLove Wrote:
 Catch of the Past Couple Days

These are REAL catches... Rolleyes

Holy crap marry Harrisonized now.

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Sn1perJohnE - 2009-03-17

yay deal!

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EDIT: its 3,333,333.

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Harrisonized - 2009-03-17

MyLove Wrote:
 Catch of the Past Couple Days

These are REAL catches... Rolleyes
Wow! That's really good. I wish I had that much to invest...
Granada Wrote:Holy crap marry Harrisonized now.
LOL wtp. Goggleemoticon

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Christian - 2009-03-17

Granada Wrote:Holy crap marry Harrisonized now.

sorry she's already taken in real life.

Fabulous Free Market Deals - WillDaSnail - 2009-03-19

Since this thread's been tagged up with MTS deals since forever, thought this might give a change of scenery:

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Original price was 35m. But seller was a bit desperate so he lowered to 30m. I was told from a merching alliance member this will go for about 40 ~ 45m if resold. But just need some PC's from other Khainian players to make sure.

And I didn't notice till now that the seller got at least 3 30%'s to work on this. Wow, that's real guts. o_o" L> 2 working Clean Slates to try to make cape to 13 INT. xD

For now, one major goal achieved *crosses out siggy*. Base matk up to 794, now looking for a Elemental Staff 1 or Wand 5/6. ><

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Goals - 2009-03-19

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I need them to scroll my Bishop's zakum helmet AND they're a good price =)

Win-win

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Harrisonized - 2009-03-19

Goals Wrote:
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I need them to scroll my Bishop's zakum helmet AND they're a good price =)

Win-win
Wow grats. Anyways, don't use it unless it's last slot. Otherwise it may blow and you've wasted the 60% for a future helmet.

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Goals - 2009-03-19

Harrisonized Wrote:Wow grats. Anyways, don't use it unless it's last slot. Otherwise it may blow and you've wasted the 60% for a future helmet.

I know, thanks =) I'm not even going to 60% until I break 28 INT.

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Nikkey - 2009-03-21

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Woah, 10 atk cape for only 1 bill!?!?!?

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Adrian - 2009-03-21

Lmao, its 10 Weapon Def, the guy that bought should pay more attention Rolleyes

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Retalion - 2009-03-21

Devil's Sunrise Wrote:[Image: maple0116pc4.jpg]

Woah, 10 atk cape for only 1 bill!?!?!?

That actually fooled me for a sec, till I thought "wait a sec, how would you gain 6 attack from 1 chaos scroll", then saw it was weapon def, loool...Good thing I usually dont have 1 bill to buy stuff like that xD

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Mike - 2009-03-21

Whoever bought that cape should check again...

Fabulous Free Market Deals - Manu - 2009-03-22

I can't believe someone was silly enough to waste 1 bil without double checking o_O
and god lucky guy who sold it.