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#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:So if you're not these things that people claim you are...why do you care?
I am a gamer, these websites cater to gamers. Gaming website says I'm this that or the other because I am a gamer, and my hobby needs to die. I care because the people who's job it is to inform me about video games, is telling me themselves they hate me and my culture, the culture they write for. Explain to me why someone who does that, who literally hurts the bottom line (they have, ad revenue has been removed, the population that visits the site as plummeted) be allowed to keep their job?
Why do these people who choose a feminist Marxist slanted agenda, get to keep their jobs after insulting their fanbase. Do you think the maplestory CM would keep their job if they effectively called maplestory players masochists? Morons? Man children? No. And neither should these idiots. They have no place in my hobby, they have no place doing journalism, but as cycnicalbritt has stated as of yesterday, these morons are now having trouble paying their rent.
So who's actually right on this agenda? Us. The gamers they slander, the conflict of interest they swim in, it's unacceptable and should be removed, that is gamergate.
EDIT: There, I summarized the entire circumstance for you in a 12 minute video, if you don't have the attention span to listen to 12 minutes of one side vs 4 weeks of information, then I cannot help you.
[video=youtube;45H25Sc6fig]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45H25Sc6fig&feature=youtu.be[/video]
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-21
https://www.google.com/search?q=death+of+adulthood&oq=death+of+adulthood&aqs=chrome..69i57.2984j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8
look at all these people who hate adults and think their culture and lives should be ended.
It's a rhetorical device. A critique. Someone sees a negative trend in a culture and reports on it. Whoop-dee-pineappleing-doo.
Or is there just worldwide "collusion and conspiracy" involving these people too, trying to organize simultaneous attacks on adulthood?
Gamergate needs to get the pineapple over themselves.
A game review is quite literally an opinionated evaluation of a game. If someone doesn't like that women are portrayed negatively in a game and doesn't like the game because of that, *who the pineapple cares?*
People don't like games like call of duty because they think it glorifies war and violence. Are they suddenly terrible nazis who deserve to be removed from their positions??
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
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Oh it doesn't exclusively say twitter so they aren't entitled to it, when it's clear that twitter would be most likely a factor in events and polls and what have you, like most other kickstarters.'
Except yoshi, it's been proven through leaked emails that they proudly owned up to that it was a coordinated attack to give zoe quinn publicity/attack gamer cultures to try to make them feel guilty about their thoughts of a self proclaimed rapist.
Edit: Also there's a difference of journalists losing their jobs for corruption, vs game developers being ostracized and careers completely broken based on the fact they aren't meeting the feminist marxist agenda.
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:A game review is quite literally an opinionated evaluation of a game. If someone doesn't like that women are portrayed negatively in a game and doesn't like the game because of that, *who the pineapple cares?*
People don't like games like call of duty because they think it glorifies war and violence. Are they suddenly terrible nazis who deserve to be removed from their positions??
Based on this, I have determined that you:
A) Haven't read my posts
B) Haven't followed up since August 25th
What you're discussing is an entirely different topic specifically about the two women, not about what gamergate is trying to accomplish. I can't further discuss this with someone who is being irrational.
![[Image: BxcXzqlIAAANuyb.png]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxcXzqlIAAANuyb.png)
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[video=youtube;2NoJ0pCh6r0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NoJ0pCh6r0[/video]
#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-09-21
I like the part where she calls the other person egotistical when in the previous tweet she claims the only time they ever got traffic was posting about her.
These are the people we are dealing with.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
Flonne Wrote:I like the part where she calls the other person egotistical when in the previous tweet she claims the only time they ever got traffic was posting about her.
These are the people we are dealing with.
It sucks because I have to resist arguing as I normally do because I don't want the thread closed. THIS IS SO HARD.
Yeah, no corruption in the indie culture at all.
[video=youtube;Tkto-HtXqg8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkto-HtXqg8[/video]
Totalbiscuit f`ucking speechless? WOW.
[video=youtube;2fYSOPifbUk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fYSOPifbUk[/video]
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-21
Gamergate is a campaign to push the agenda of not pushing the feminist agenda because they don't want their agenda pushed on them. ????????????????????????????
*The people who are writing the articles aren't even a part of the mailing list*
When a large number of articles on the same topic are released, it's because *other people want to add their opinion to the topic as well* It's writing. It's journalism. It's what people do.
But you know, as long as Milo, proud member of 4chan declares the conspiracy to be so, it must be true!
The email list is basically a forum for discussion. To say that everyone in the email list is working together to systematically dismantle your hobby is insanity.
Southperry is a forum for a pineappleing dying MMO and people can't even agree on a topic in a shenanigans thread. Why in the 9 hells would people think that this email list could pull off some global conspiracy?
Let's look at the emails that Milo "exposed," shall we?
Spoiler
Some people don't think harassment is okay. How dare they. Such collusion.![[Image: E9D0BF53BE8746319179C28F701684A8.jpg]](http://www.breitbart.com/mediaserver/E9D0BF53BE8746319179C28F701684A8.jpg)
Quote:Jason Schreier, a senior writer at Kotaku, can be seen defending Nathan Grayson, the journalist who admitted to beginning a sexual relationship with Zoe Quinn just days after he mentioned her in his reporting and linking to her game, Depression Quest.
Spoiler
Someone points out an obvious fallacy that was almost entirely the basis for the "conspiracy." He's obviously in cahoots with the journalist.![[Image: B86C77801427400285AF5A0FE6CD79A7.jpg]](http://www.breitbart.com/mediaserver/B86C77801427400285AF5A0FE6CD79A7.jpg)
And the people who are still shouting collusion because he mentioned her name in an article prominently about her involvement in the ruin of game jam, and in an article about the popular greenlit games at the time, lol. The grasping at straws is real.
Spoiler
One person gives his input on the matter (which is even prefaced with a "this is just my opinion here). But you know, one person giving an opinion is obviously proof of how they all operate with the same mindset.![[Image: A79FB07FD8774474BD8BB8716766AD5B.jpg]](http://www.breitbart.com/mediaserver/A79FB07FD8774474BD8BB8716766AD5B.jpg)
And, the "big one":
Spoiler
First sentence: 'if you share the opinion that people shouldn't be harassed'![[Image: 26565B83C18A46CFA70C4D0C47322EB6.jpg?h=361&w=640]](http://www.breitbart.com/mediaserver/26565B83C18A46CFA70C4D0C47322EB6.jpg?h=361&w=640)
I would hope that one speaks for itself how that can't be used as evidence of collusion.
And the rest of it is *one person's* take on the situation and how they suggest the situation be handled. Notice how there's no responses to this. Notice how there aren't any emails about how people are agreeing to write articles en masse about the subject. In fact, the *few* emails he leaked say NOT to say anything about the subject because it'll just propagate peoples' delusions.
http://ask.fm/ScottNichols/answer/118859079356
And I apologize if I'm not able to accurately gauge what the "goal" of gamergate is when it seems like everyone has a different idea of what gamergate is about because it changes its face every 5 seconds when ideas are debunked.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
@y0y0y0y0shi0;
I already told you yoshi, your information is inaccurate, you haven't been following, and don't understand what gamergate is about. Once you meet those pre-requisites then we can discuss your point of view. I don't have the patience to discuss a matter with someone who is a week behind.
You're welcome to read this if you wish to have a discussion;
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite
You're also welcome to actually review about 3-4 videos posted regarding this.
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-21
Thank you for linking me to the same article that I just quoted and took images from....?
Since when did 4 emails = proof of conspiracy and hive mind mentality, especially when those emails are explicitly pertaining to a few individuals' opinions?
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Thank you for linking me to the same article that I just quoted and took images from....?
Since when did 4 emails = proof of conspiracy and hive mind mentality, especially when those emails are explicitly pertaining to a few individuals' opinions?
...how on earth did you get images from the same article and not actually read it?
article Wrote:The sight of journalists not only engaging in activism on behalf of their reporting subjects but also discouraging other reporters and editors from covering stories of interest to their readers will be disturbing to many in the industry, who have long suspected a persistent bias and unusual levels of co-operation and co-ordination from senior journalists.Polygon editor Ben Kuchera is seen on the list offering support to Quinn and chiding other writers for not actively doing the same.
article Wrote:In emails seen by Breitbart London, Ben Kuchera repeatedly pressures other journalists and editors to take down material on their websites that is critical of Zoe Quinn and to close down debate about her role in the video games industry by removing comments and forum posts by members of the public asking questions about journalistic propriety.Jason Schreier, a senior writer at Kotaku, can be seen defending Nathan Grayson, the journalist who admitted to beginning a sexual relationship with Zoe Quinn just days after he mentioned her in his reporting and linking to her game, Depression Quest.
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-21
The sight of journalists not only engaging in activism against their reporting subjects but also encouraging other reporters and editors to cover stories of interest to their readers isn't disturbing, either? Or is that not what Milo's doing here?
Ben Kuchera: the ringleader of the games journalist conspiracy. His pressure knows no bounds! What he says goes! He controls the free will of other games journalists and prevents them from thinking otherwise!
But of course asking people to prevent harassment by removing posts that are the cause of the harassment is a terrible thing. We deserve our free speech!
![[Image: free_speech.png]](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png)
You know, for a movement against objectivity in journalism, gamergate sure is blind to their own objectivity.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:The sight of journalists not only engaging in activism against their reporting subjects but also encouraging other reporters and editors to cover stories of interest to their readers isn't disturbing, either? Or is that not what Milo's doing here?
Ben Kuchera: the ringleader of the games journalist conspiracy. His pressure knows no bounds! What he says goes! He controls the free will of other games journalists and prevents them from thinking otherwise!
You know, for a movement against objectivity in journalism, gamergate sure is blind to their own objectivity.
You don't find it at all coincidental that all members (who have been pressured by the way, including the escapist EIC who was attacked based on him trying to be transparent) posted the exact same message at the same exact time. I don't know what you think gamergate is about but every video linked in this thread spells it out for you very clearly, the message is consistent and has been the same. In fact you tried to argue you against it, irrationally mind you, saying that we're hypocritical for asking for jobs to be taken away, while others sabotage aspiring developers.
Google groups (email list as referred to) is evidence of the suspicion that they collaborated on the propaganda message for the first two days, which leads to the original point of them attacking gamers as a whole. It's the very definition of propaganda, now there's proof of it. All trying to censor a conversation about zoe quinns influence on indie game development that should have been had.
#Gamergate - Eliseo - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:The sight of journalists not only engaging in activism against their reporting subjects but also encouraging other reporters and editors to cover stories of interest to their readers isn't disturbing, either? Or is that not what Milo's doing here?
Ben Kuchera: the ringleader of the games journalist conspiracy. His pressure knows no bounds! What he says goes! He controls the free will of other games journalists and prevents them from thinking otherwise!
But of course asking people to prevent harassment by removing posts that are the cause of the harassment is a terrible thing. We deserve our free speech!
You know, for a movement against objectivity in journalism, gamergate sure is blind to their own objectivity.
You are blindly following one side of this entire situation. Silverstring media and others have shown open corruption, you are being presented info and facts on this entire situation, yet you keep "grasping straws". Just by reading every single post in this thread alone you would realize what people here are trying to tell you.
Not being properly informed on the actions of the SJW is what they rely on.
Your image also shows you don't quite understand what is going on. It's not just showing people the door, it's the SJW actively trying to censor anyone who disagrees with them, I am amazed about how you can't realize that.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
Eliseo Wrote:You are blindly following one side of this entire situation. Silverstring media and others have shown open corruption, you are being presented info and facts on this entire situation, yet you keep "grasping straws". Just by reading every single post in this thread alone you would realize what people here are trying to tell you.
Not being properly informed on the actions of the SJW is what they rely on.
Your image also shows you don't quite understand what is going on. It's not just showing people the door, it's the SJW actively trying to censor anyone who disagrees with them, I am amazed about how you can't realize that.
Believe me, I'm not, nor is anyone who is familiar with how yoshi posts. He kind of has a reputation for this sort of thing.
Wow, he thinks this discussion is about freedom of speech. I'm done
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-21
Because every medium of media is working together to censor you, right?
When I see people rallying against 4chan because they're being censored and their "safe haven of free speech is compromised" how am I not supposed to take that as people getting angry over free speech, exactly?
Then please, spell out for me exactly what gamergate is about.
#Gamergate - Zerard - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Then please, spell out for me exactly what gamergate is about.
Did you not watch Khaini''s first video, that did exactly that.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Because every medium of media is working together to censor you, right?
Why are you cherry picking?
me Wrote:You don't find it at all coincidental that all members (who have been pressured by the way, including the escapist EIC who was attacked based on him trying to be transparent) posted the exact same message at the same exact time. I don't know what you think gamergate is about but every video linked in this thread spells it out for you very clearly, the message is consistent and has been the same. In fact you tried to argue you against it, irrationally mind you, saying that we're hypocritical for asking for jobs to be taken away, while others sabotage aspiring developers.
Censoring a topic because it's against your personal interest because it pertains to your actual job, based on the facade that your friend is being harassed, when the emails clarify that the threads were being heavily monitored to moderate posts of that nature to begin with. When you remove a discussion based on dishonesty and conflict of interest, it is against your very journalistic integrity and you are not entitled nor qualified for the job. Censorship based on a conflict of interest is not the same as censorship of stupidity, bigotry or harassment, which by the way were all being heavily monitored.
Your image unfortunately does not work in this context.
#Gamergate - Eliseo - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Because every medium of media is working together to censor you, right?
When I see people rallying against 4chan because they're being censored and their "safe haven of free speech is compromised" how am I not supposed to take that as people getting angry over free speech, exactly?
Then please, spell out for me exactly what gamergate is about.
Look, no one has to spell the info to you. You have been presented the information, you can etheir keep reading about it and informing yourself, or believe whatever the hell the SJW tells you to believe.
And about the freedom of speech, you should take a note about how the censoring and freedom of speech differ. SJW have been known to launch treats, make personal attacks and disregard polite speech whenever they can't censore, delete or ban the posts that contradict or show them off, as can be easily seen on twitter.
The problem, in my opinion, is that they go out of their way to manipulate other sites, as well as people in the media to do as they like.
#Gamergate - MuscleWizard - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Because every medium of media is working together to censor you, right?Exposing Rampant Corruption in journalism, y'silly.
When I see people rallying against 4chan because they're being censored and their "safe haven of free speech is compromised" how am I not supposed to take that as people getting angry over free speech, exactly?
Then please, spell out for me exactly what gamergate is about.
Free speech doesn't exist on the internet anyway.
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-09-21
These emails were sent on August 19th. The only thing out at the time was the 5 guys video and the quinnspiracy blog. When you see people harassing someone over blatant lies about journalists and their relationship problems, why in gods name would you NOT want them to stop doing so?
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-09-21
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:These emails were sent on August 19th. The only thing out at the time was the 5 guys video and the quinnspiracy blog. When you see people harassing someone over blatant lies about journalists and their relationship problems, why in gods name would you NOT want them to stop doing so?
Well if you read the entire post, which you didn't;
A) As EIC of escapist said, they were monitoring the thread, there was barely any discussion about zoe quinn being a "whore" (Although you being obsessive over a self proclaimed rapist is kind of funny in itself)
B) The 5 guys thing alluded to a conspiracy of a conflict of interest, not to zoe quinn being a whore. IN fact it was explicitly stressed to emphasize the conflict of interest, and not the sex life. Pick a gamergate or 5 guys video, you will find that every.single.one.of.them stresses that point.