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Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - KhainiWest - 2014-06-15
xBTAx Wrote:Oh, there's no majority? Then [Vote] Words.
To begin with, Words alone doesn't confirm Meta if Meta isn't sane. But even ignoring the possible inclusion of sanity, then yes, we have 2-3 doors to open... but with no comparison between the cops, we have no idea who could be lying about even being a cop and just trying to get us to lynch their target. I mean, even if Meta's telling the truth, that doesn't mean the other two are. And, again, if the targets are generic innocents there's no way for them to verify their innocence (as a claim could) and that means easy mislynches. I'd rather deal with the cops and just lynch someone based on suspicions as normal tomorrow if they all check out than leave us open to being misled at a critical time. Really, the three targets just leaves things way too open to manipulation, because if the one target is protected and one "cop" is killed then we get the other twos' reports; if one of the three targets dies then the report of the person who targeted them is worthless (or nonexistent, as Holy indicated might be the case).
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We have an accusation backed with confidence enough to even admit she'll get lynched either way. I feel this is the only lead we have that has any credibility. Although the other two could possibly be crazy, the determination will be after we come to it. Wasting a night investigating one person through 3 people, is a waste of resources, and a waste of a night.
At this point we should just validate the claim and cross the next bridge based on the results/reactions
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Holypie - 2014-06-15
At this point I think we should all investigate the same person and have the doctor protect either Meta or the investigative target. Leaving some information unknown to everyone but the doctor (ie the person being saved) is crucial for at least the chance of a potential save. If we broadcast to everyone who the doctor should save then the mafia will obviously not kill them, unless the doctor is a chessmaster and predicts who the mafia will target either way. Also by going with Meta and the target as the doctor targets it maximizes the odds of a successful save, unless the mafia decides to kill someone uninvolved, in which case that would give us some much needed cop confirmations at the cost of a likely powerless innocent. As for any of us cops potentially lying (which I don't think we are but anyway) that can be dealt with once we have more investigations. I do agree with BTA about lynching on scumhunting instead of relying on cops for tomorrow though, as there's no guarantee of hitting a guilty target (quite unlikely anyway) and to nullify the threat of a lying cop.
As for the investigation target I'd like to investigate Olsi, do you agree?
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Holypie - 2014-06-15
Also I doubt either Kyrastri or I am insane, because we don't get alignment information at all. Just "clues".
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Kyrastri - 2014-06-15
xBTAx Wrote:Please read my most recent post. Sanity isn't the only thing relevant here.
I've already acknowledged that Meta could be suspicious based on the fact that she claimed first. Holypie is less likely to be mafia as it would have been redundant to claim after I counterclaimed. This is why we should still have multiple people as investigatees.
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Holypie Wrote:At this point I think we should all investigate the same person and have the doctor protect either Meta or the investigative target. Leaving some information unknown to everyone but the doctor (ie the person being saved) is crucial for at least the chance of a potential save. If we broadcast to everyone who the doctor should save then the mafia will obviously not kill them, unless the doctor is a chessmaster and predicts who the mafia will target either way. Also by going with Meta and the target as the doctor targets it maximizes the odds of a successful save, unless the mafia decides to kill someone uninvolved, in which case that would give us some much needed cop confirmations at the cost of a likely powerless innocent. As for any of us cops potentially lying (which I don't think we are but anyway) that can be dealt with once we have more investigations. I do agree with BTA about lynching on scumhunting instead of relying on cops for tomorrow though, as there's no guarantee of hitting a guilty target (quite unlikely anyway) and to nullify the threat of a lying cop.
As for the investigation target I'd like to investigate Olsi, do you agree?
I agree with the idea to lynch based on scum-hunting tomorrow. We will need a number of days to confirm whether anyone's lying, which, like Holypie, I believe nobody has.
As for the investigation, the doctor should be given the discretion as to whether to save a cop (which I believe that Meta should be saved UNLESS Words is proven to be a good apple) or the investigatee.
I'm still not inclined to believe that Meta is stronger as a cop than us, though. Not until we confirm with more investigation results.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-15
Agree with investigative hunting.
My suspicions are Shidoshi and Niernen for some odd reason.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Niernen - 2014-06-15
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Agree with investigative hunting.
My suspicions are Shidoshi and Niernen for some odd reason.
okayWhy would you be suspicious of me? I gave scenarios and reasonable outcomes that most seemed to agree with. Unlike you, who has only had "gut feelings" and vote jumped.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - VerrKol - 2014-06-15
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-15
Niernen Wrote:
Why would you be suspicious of me? I gave scenarios and reasonable outcomes that most seemed to agree with. Unlike you, who has only had "gut feelings" and vote jumped.
Tbh, no explainable reason, really. Yes, I'm a failed player. Maybe because you post not as often as I would expect? Shidoshi's the opposite, but I sense a underlying tone from him somehow.
[Edit] Don't mind my suspicions too much, after all, as Christina Perri sang, I'm only human!
I would also suggest that we have a Doctor Who-themed mafia next round. 13 doctors, the others either companions or villains.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Niernen - 2014-06-15
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Maybe because you post not as often as I would expect?
I alredly had my say. Not much to add. Words gets lynched, and we find out if Meta is a cop. Not too much more for me to add, and all that is being discussed now is who to investigate or protect. I really don't have anything to say about it that is different, and would rather not make useless posts. The only page I have not commented in was deciding how to investigate and protect, and seemed to be going fine. If find it much better to make 3-4 thought out posts than 10 posts that say the same amount or worthless posts that don't add anything.
And as I said, was busy with fathers day stuff too.
Was working on a pokemon mafia for after this sometime if people are interested.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Polantaris - 2014-06-15
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Don't mind my suspicions too much, after all, as Christina Perri sang, I'm only human!
You mean you're not an apple like the rest of us?!?
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-15
Polantaris Wrote:You mean you're not an apple like the rest of us?!?
An apple of course. Why would you think of that? It's a figurative speech.
And Niernen, as I said earlier, don't mind my suspicions too much.
Thanks for explaining anyway ooh, Pokemon mafia? Me likey.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - xBTAx - 2014-06-16
I'd much much rather us do Pokemon than Doctor Who, because it would be more familiar for a lot more people and relating powers to characters would be much less forced (...and I'm personally kinda sick of Doctor Who at this point as well), but I was actually thinking of running a game myself soon. I don't have time to plan it for another week or two though, so I'm not complaining if Pokemon's next. Can we keep this discussion out of this thread, though?
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Agree with investigative hunting.
My suspicions are Shidoshi and Niernen for some odd reason.
Not to be rude, but posts like this really don't help anyone. So far it feels like all you've posted in the past day is parroting what others have said, random accusations with no evidence or sense of proper timing, and misinterpreting jokes. I understand that you're new to this, but instead of goofing around and drawing a ton of suspicion on yourself, you should spend a little time reading up on mafia so you can at least contribute a little. I know participating in lynching based on suspicions and such can be hard (I'm not great at it myself), but as is you're not contributing much and that makes you a good target for being both mislynched and killed.
Now, could [MENTION=41]Holypie[/MENTION], [MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION], and [MENTION=10411]Kyrastri[/MENTION] please decide on what's going to happen before the noon deadline sneaks up on us again? I still think having a single target helps us way more, but regardless you need to agree on something before this entire cop situation gets worse.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Holypie - 2014-06-16
Like I said, I'd like for all of us to investigate Olsi. Sorry if it seems like I've been flip flopping on this, it's not really easy to decide what to do in this situation. [MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION], [MENTION=10411]Kyrastri[/MENTION] do you agree?
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-16
I'm now kinda worried about lynching the wrong person. What if Words isn't the one? I mean, yes, he is suspicious, but he hasn't said a thing for a while now. It could either mean that he does not mind that he is lynched, as we currently have reached a majority, or it could also mean that he is silenced by someone, or he is just too busy iRL to post anything, or even he has to be silent as his role needs to be silent. Either way, I'm just worried we might lynch the wrong person.
xBTAx, thanks for telling. I'm trying to improve myself now.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Kyrastri - 2014-06-16
LuvDWayULie Wrote:I'm now kinda worried about lynching the wrong person. What if Words isn't the one? I mean, yes, he is suspicious, but he hasn't said a thing for a while now. It could either mean that he does not mind that he is lynched, as we currently have reached a majority, or it could also mean that he is silenced by someone, or he is just too busy iRL to post anything, or even he has to be silent as his role needs to be silent. Either way, I'm just worried we might lynch the wrong person.
xBTAx, thanks for telling. I'm trying to improve myself now.
A bit late :3 We've already touched on this multiple times. To summarise, we have much more to lose if we don't lynch Words. To paraphrase the late y0y0; if an innocent is lost outing a mafia, then it's a loss that ultimately benefits the living players. You'll need to give more evidence than silence (which is often seen as incriminatory from what I've seen so far) and "we could be lynching the wrong person", which is an argument that other people have already raised, and has been considered multiple times.
I agree with xBTAx when he said to read up on mafia. This is my first game as well, so I don't see how being new should be a real issue except for a lack of past games. We have a lot of new players to mafia, anyway.
[MENTION=41]Holypie[/MENTION]; If [MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION]; agrees with it, then by all means, we'll all investigate Olsi tonight.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - ChaoticCJ - 2014-06-16
LuvDWayULie Wrote:I'm now kinda worried about lynching the wrong person. What if Words isn't the one? I mean, yes, he is suspicious, but he hasn't said a thing for a while now. It could either mean that he does not mind that he is lynched, as we currently have reached a majority, or it could also mean that he is silenced by someone, or he is just too busy iRL to post anything, or even he has to be silent as his role needs to be silent. Either way, I'm just worried we might lynch the wrong person.
Most of the town is going through this same process-if Words is mafia "A" happens, if Words is town "B" occurs. Also, with three cops and no instant lynch it wouldn't surprise me to see some day abilities.
As for the plan ahead, I am still more in favor of Kyrastri or KhainiWest's plan. I think getting the most information possible (with 2 targets for investigation) and combining it with today's results is the best way forward. The real problem is deciding who to investigate since we each have our own suspicions about each person. I think to balance it, we look into an active and semi-active member. Those are just my thoughts; it really is up to the cops. Whatever we decide, the doctor better put their thinking cap on and protect whoever seem the most in danger.
I will also [vote]Words, since there is no instant lynch-although at this point it is overkill.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Corn - 2014-06-16
I'm basically also on the same boat as you guys, but
a) I haven't caught up reading everything yet.
and
b) Man do I really need to throw my vote in there on an overkill?
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - VerrKol - 2014-06-16
Corn Wrote:b) Man do I really need to throw my vote in there on an overkill?
Naw, you can do anything you want. Like [Vote]:Kyrastri
Words lynch seems a forgone conclusion and I don't see any better options. My head feels better now.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Kyrastri - 2014-06-16
VerrKol Wrote:Naw, you can do anything you want. Like [Vote]:Kyrastri
Words lynch seems a forgone conclusion and I don't see any better options. My head feels better now.
:c I'm saddened by your vote. Regarding your second line, do I seem suspicious to you? More than anyone else, anyway.
Glad to see you're feeling better!
[MENTION=3195]ChaoticCJ[/MENTION]; The split for an active/semi-active member makes sense to me, though Meta should really start talking before the end of the day. 11 hours left (everything just has to end at 5AM, huh :[) until the end of the day, by which I honestly hope we've got this clear.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - KhainiWest - 2014-06-16
To be honest, at least if the mafia is smart, they'll avoid the whole three hat trick and go for a random rather than risk a lynch entirely, and possibly leave no clues basing it on a random selection.