GreyorGray Wrote:err hourglass is dumb on him. Only people I say it's fine to build it on are champs like Kennen and Morg, where the active compliments their play style.

>Pineapple' Wrote:Zhonyas is good on him because it gives a good amount of armor and ap, the active isn't needed but comes in handy, albeit not often. Good item that benefit both his rolls as tank and ap nuke.

GreyorGray Wrote:Naww if anything RoA would better suite his purpose first for hp and ap and then you build raw armor/mr items.

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Darkmaniak Wrote:Buuuh I was ONE victory away from having my current match history full of wins, of course mentioning it jinxed it and we got stomped on the next game, I had to cho because we had no time when there were 15 seconds left, then once I had masteries ready for cho and locked notice someone had picked a singed...
anyway the match sucked and there's nothing worth mentioning other than we all sucked and they were all good.

dante9898 Wrote:So i had my first ARAM game in custom and i think i got the Best champ for that mode: Yi.

I was healing like 500+680 from my W and my Q was doing like 700 damage cuz i went Full AP. And since i already had experience with yi, i took advantage of Highlander and used Alpha Strike on Sure kill champs to refresh CD and repeat. I manage to use alpha strike 3 times in a row once XD.

>Pineapple' Wrote:Mitigation beats purely hp every time. Banshees and abyssal or abyssal and FoN cover your MR pretty much completely. Zhonyas armor is plenty too. RoA is overhyped on cho. It's not even that effective unless he's maining ap.

He has naturally (insanely) high hp already so hp items aren't that vital, especially early-mid game.

GreyorGray Wrote:Not true at all. The only counter to true damage is HP stacking. Also based sheerly on his base stats cho can tank extremely well early - mid game with just RoA and feast stacks. Zhonya's is expensive and there are much better items to select. It isn't over hyped it's extremely useful. Also coming from someone who rushes zhonya's on one of his char's I can tell you the armor is not as great as you make it out to be. No cho will get zhonya's hourglass idk what you're saying. Also what are you saying? Higher Hp is VERY useful early-mid game the hell? I think you have forgotten his role.. Anyways zhonya's is not a good item to rush if get at all on him nothing you say can change that.

Purplefire44 Wrote:I only know of 4 true damage abilities.
I think armor/mr is better, because even though warmogs gives 1000 hp, 2 negatrons/chainmail doubles your hp against that source. And its cheaper.

GreyorGray Wrote:Not true at all. The only counter to true damage is HP stacking. Also based sheerly on his base stats cho can tank extremely well early - mid game with just RoA and feast stacks. Zhonya's is expensive and there are much better items to select. It isn't over hyped it's extremely useful. Also coming from someone who rushes zhonya's on one of his char's I can tell you the armor is not as great as you make it out to be. No cho will get zhonya's hourglass idk what you're saying. Also what are you talking about? Higher Hp is VERY useful early-mid game the hell? I think you have forgotten his role.. Anyways zhonya's is not a good item to rush if get at all on him nothing you say can change that.

EDIT : IMO he should be getting either RoA or Aegis (this if his team is relatively squishy to make them have a bit more survivability and damage).

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>Pineapple' Wrote:I didn't say rush zhonyas....... I said rush or just get abyssal and zhonyas. Obviously you're not going to rush a zhonyas since it's so damned expensive >_>

And you rush zhonyas on kennen. He's not a tank and has not good hp unless you get rylais beforehand. And your base defensive stats are inferior to chos, iirc.

He doesn't need roa. HP and AP. HP that's useful, yes but not needed. HP is only better if they have true damage such as another cho. He'll benefit more from a negatron and a chain vest and a blasting wand than roa. He'll have plenty of hp with his stacks, which is one reason he's such a good tank. He can focus on resists and save gold on hp.

An example of my optimal build is:

Dorans Ring
boots 1
Aegis (if no one else gets it)/ Blasting wand
Finish boots (sorcs or lucidity imo)
blasting wand if not already purchased/ negatron
Finish abyssal/ Get chain vest if needed
Finish zhonyas
Defensive/ Offensive item of choice

The reason for lack of banshees is because you should not be getting focused vs logical teams. If they are focusing you, you should be winning team fights anyway or just working around their team to avoid such an event.

This build leaves you at 2.9k health at level 18 with only a doan's ring, boots, abyssal scepter and a chain vest, and gives you 85 ap. If you opt for an aegis you get more hp. This is all without runes and masteries at level 18.

Dark Link Wrote:Tanky Xin was tanky! HP + AD items = fun times Xin. I had around 3100 HP when my last game ended and it was lulzy. Just sucks the enemy team had a bad Yi who fed me and Kat about 4-5 kills before the lane phase ended =/
Also Fiddle sucks! Crowstorm eats HP like it's nothing!