MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]
Fury - faster and hits 6. Crusher is slower and 3. Spear has advantage for 1v1 and small mobs, but PA is far better at large mobs. You didn't specify anything other than spear > PA, so I called you out on it.[/COLOR]

ImVindictive Wrote:Typically with the new maps it's equal training wise. But I hear TT mobs don't get bigger than 3-4 monsters per. It seems the bigger monsters arent very social and stay in small cliqs

I'm a hybrid and really I just like spear because I'm more of a 1v1 kind of guy rather than 6v6. I was originally a shadower and BS focused on smaller type of mobs so you can see that 'prefered' training was passsed on. And in terms of DPS surprisingly DrK's don't fall that behind.

MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]
You're very mistaken. Oblivion 4 is extremely mobby, and with Rush I can gather mobs of 8-10 without much effort. They are small length-wise, which means I lose very little time rushing, and Rush isn't that weak a skill if it's leveled at all. I've had 3 races with roughly equal Spear DrKs, and beat all of them by appx 2-3m exp an hour.[/COLOR]

ImVindictive Wrote:Races in terms of that map or exp per hour in two different maps?

¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:The combo's formula is 100% accurate?
Is AC% + 20% + (Orbs-5) x 4% correct?
So for Dawn Warriors it would be 140% + 20% + (10-5) x 4% = 180%?
Can someone tell me?
Erm Russt, you said in Post#224 that the Dawn Warrior's Combo% could be found in the Skill.wz. So assuming what you said was true it is 180% for Dawn Warriors?

So when using Brandish : 230% x 180%(AC) x 120%(Soul Charge default +20%) x 125%(Soul Charge elemental advantage against holy weak mob is +25%, not +50%) x 2hits x 3mobs = 3726% ?
OMG that's a heck load of damage.

Can any kind and experienced forummer clear my doubts?

Stereo Wrote:Dunno if there's a proper thread for posting training routes...

At Oblivion 2, starting at the warp (bottom centre) I go to the top, run right, climb to that platform (HH), run left, climb the other platform (HH), drop twice, run right (HH), fall off the end, and then go left (HH) and right on the bottom to get back to the warp. The HH just indicates where I use Hammer when available since I hit the most mobs at those points.

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MasPan Wrote:Exp per hour in the same map. I've raced in 2 different maps, mostly in Oblivion 4.

ImVindictive Wrote:Sorry I missworded that so badly lol. What I was implying was were you racing O4 vs Skelegons? Or speed at O4 period?

MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]
O5 vs O5 and O4 vs O4. At skelegons I can keep up with all but 1hitting Spear DrKs (I 2hit with Crusher, 3hit with Fury)[/COLOR]

¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:"though that doesn't really mean much as a figure" What you mean by this?

Russt Wrote:I mean that 3726% is big but it's not significant in any real way. There's no real use in dealing all that damage to three targets when most of that gets wasted no matter what you do, and you're capped at level 120 anyway.

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Russt Wrote:Skill Modifiers

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Barrage, last 2 hits only (credit to Fiel): 2 ^ (ordinal number of hit - 4)
Total damage multiplier: 10

¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:"when most of that gets wasted no matter what you do" What you mean by this? Ur english too complex. sorry i dun understand pls eleborate =)

 Stabbing with a Polearm and Slashing with a Spear result in only the bottom 25% of your damage range being used in calculations.

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My damage range pic was outdated, so
3551-7918 for math purposes

If we assume it only uses a certain % of my range, at 170% per hit, we get...
6036 (x2 is 12k, which makes sense) for minimum
and
8000/1.7 = 4705 (not even half of my range - Crusher seems to only use the bottom 4th of my range).

I'll do some Fury calculations later.

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finalbragade Wrote:I don't mean to seem petty but I think the damage for Buccs Barrage + DS combo is wrong

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I'm extramly weaker then the theoretical Bucc on the chart and i hit as much as him

the possible reason?


i might be missing something.. but i just thought i'd bring it up

Russt Wrote:
-keeps spoonfeeding-

Say you're bossing. Brandish hits 3, but you're only hitting 1. So you're not dealing the full 3726% damage.

Say you're training. Every time you don't hit 3 monsters when you swing, you're dealing less damage than you could be. Also, every time you deal more damage than you need to kill a monster, damage gets wasted. (If a monster has 100 HP left, it won't matter if you hit it for 100 damage or for 10000.)

So even though you do 3726% damage on paper, most of the time you don't.

¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:So in order for Brandish to reach its FULL Potential, it must hit 3 mobs?
Darn it, DW don't have Rush