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The Archer Discussion Thread - JoeTang - 2011-05-20
Locked Wrote:173-120 = 53 *3 = 159 + 3 = 162 SP total @ 173.You need 1 point in Ultimate Inferno, otherwise the splash range is rather useless compared to using Hurricane since I doubt you would be able to hit the 5/6 monsters required to do better DPS, especially since Bow Masters don't get Dragon Breath anymore.
162 - 29 (Bow Expert ) = 133 SP
133 - 30 (Hurricane) = 103 SP
103 - 30 (Spirit Link) = 73 SP
73 - 30 (Advanced Final Attack) = 43.
43 - 30 (Sharp Eyes) = 13.
13 - 10 (Marksmanship) = 3.
3 f`ucking SP left.
I don't even have a single point in MW.
Son of a b`itch.
And you need 1 point in Elite Puppet at least since it can draw aggro, DPS a small amount, and absorb damage.
So 1 SP left. =]
And if Illusion Step turns out to be useful because of the +evade chance, 0 SP. I'd consider yourself lucky that you have these other core skills all maxed though.
Funny thing for all future Bow Masters.
1 Hurricane + 1 AFA: 162% damage + 74.98% average damage
30 Hurricane + 1 AFA: 220% damage + 74.98% average damage
1 Hurricane + 30 AFA: 162% damage + 150% average damage
AFA is more efficient than Hurricane itself and you save a shitton on MP.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Alilatias - 2011-05-20
Locked Wrote:173-120 = 53 *3 = 159 + 3 = 162 SP total @ 173.
162 - 29 (Bow Expert ) = 133 SP
133 - 30 (Hurricane) = 103 SP
103 - 30 (Spirit Link) = 73 SP
73 - 30 (Advanced Final Attack) = 43.
43 - 30 (Sharp Eyes) = 13.
13 - 10 (Marksmanship) = 3.
3 f`ucking SP left.
I don't even have a single point in MW.
Son of a b`itch.
Heh. I was going to bring up Maple Warrior too, but how many of us are 180+, right?
I think we are now officially the last class in the game that starts putting any points into MW.
Bowmaster bandwagon, go, go... While browsing the FM for Bow Expertise 30 earlier today, I noticed cheap Phoenix and Hamstring mastery books getting bought left and right. PHOENIX. AND HAMSTRING. (I would guess that Phoenix would be for Spirit Link afterwards, and Hamstring for Illusion Step, judging from how Fiel had Illusion Step initially listed as Hamstring very early in the extraction thread's existence. That would make Dragon Breath for Advanced Final Attack. Just assuming, though.)
The Archer Discussion Thread - Locked - 2011-05-20
JoeTang Wrote:You need 1 point in Ultimate Inferno, otherwise the splash range is rather useless compared to using Hurricane since I doubt you would be able to hit the 5/6 monsters required to do better DPS, especially since Bow Masters don't get Dragon Breath anymore.
And you need 1 point in Elite Puppet at least since it can draw aggro, DPS a small amount, and absorb damage.
So 1 SP left. =]
And if Illusion Step turns out to be useful because of the +evade chance, 0 SP. I'd consider yourself lucky that you have these other core skills all maxed though.
Funny thing for all future Bow Masters.
1 Hurricane + 1 AFA: 162% damage + 74.98% average damage
30 Hurricane + 1 AFA: 220% damage + 74.98% average damage
1 Hurricane + 30 AFA: 162% damage + 150% average damage
AFA is more efficient than Hurricane itself and you save a shitton on MP.
Illusion Step isn't like Shadow Shifter, it just multiplies your avoid by the %. According to the videos. But yeah, regardless I'd kinda have to be 190 before I have MW and everything else maxed besides Illusion Step.
190-173 = 17*3 = 51 +3 from my above left over = 54 SP.
54 - 15 (Elite Puppet) = 39.
39 - 29 (Maple Warrior) = 10
10 - 10 (Ultimate Inferno) = 0.
Then 190-200 is 30 extra SP. Which leaves you with either 5 Hero's Will and 25 Illusion Step or 30 Illusion Step if you're stupid enough to do that.
The Archer Discussion Thread - fodjgngf - 2011-05-20
Well illusion step is still kinda big, they do change the avoid formula in chaos as well. I'm sure illusion step is great to have.. even though its just a % based focus..
It's kinda hard to really plan out a build.. it really really is..
The Archer Discussion Thread - Vek - 2011-05-21
maaan...I liked BMs before they went all mainstream...
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The Archer Discussion Thread - Worthyness - 2011-05-21
well at least we'll have extremely useful skills to work on throughout all those levels instead of being done at 15x.
The Archer Discussion Thread - McAwesomesauce - 2011-05-21
where are high level kms archers even training? isn't lhc less awesome because they removed the party bonus? or do they just chill in spiegelmann's safari?
The Archer Discussion Thread - Xiger - 2011-05-21
McAwesomesauce Wrote:where are high level kms archers even training? isn't lhc less awesome because they removed the party bonus? or do they just chill in spiegelmann's safari?
Yes, most high leveled archers train at MonsterPark.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Kirov - 2011-05-21
Vek Wrote:maaan...I liked BMs before they went all mainstream...
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The moment 4th Job and BMs were created was when they went mainstream. This is just BM Bandwagon 2.0, well until another rebalance occurs and people swoon over that class.
The Archer Discussion Thread - HighOnMushrooms - 2011-05-21
Anyone wanna give me an order of skills to max?
Since I'm 151, I already have 93 (96?) SP to use... I'm thinking max out Bow Expert, Advanced Final Attack, and Sharp Eyes. Then put 1 point in Hurricane, Ultimate Inferno, Spirit Link, and Elite Puppet. I guess max Hurricane after that..
The Archer Discussion Thread - Pikamemnon - 2011-05-21
Hooray for multi hit Arrow Rain!! Somehow it seems too good to be true...
The Archer Discussion Thread - Worthyness - 2011-05-21
HighOnMushrooms Wrote:Anyone wanna give me an order of skills to max?i suppose it would be hurricane for damage or spirit link for buffs. You could also do illusion step for that hax avoidability + super crits via dodge.
Since I'm 151, I already have 93 (96?) SP to use... I'm thinking max out Bow Expert, Advanced Final Attack, and Sharp Eyes. Then put 1 point in Hurricane, Ultimate Inferno, Spirit Link, and Elite Puppet. I guess max Hurricane after that..
The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-05-21
Pikamemnon Wrote:Hooray for multi hit Arrow Rain!! Somehow it seems too good to be true...
Is the horrible delay still there? Also, multi-hit Rain makes more sense than single hit Rain. :I
The Archer Discussion Thread - Locked - 2011-05-21
HighOnMushrooms Wrote:Anyone wanna give me an order of skills to max?
Since I'm 151, I already have 93 (96?) SP to use... I'm thinking max out Bow Expert, Advanced Final Attack, and Sharp Eyes. Then put 1 point in Hurricane, Ultimate Inferno, Spirit Link, and Elite Puppet. I guess max Hurricane after that..
I'm thinking of making a new skillbuild for post-jump bowmen. With the help of Joe if he would like to help.
The Archer Discussion Thread - HighOnMushrooms - 2011-05-21
MariaColette Wrote:Is the horrible delay still there? Also, multi-hit Rain makes more sense than single hit Rain. :I
Nope, they made it faster again!
Locked Wrote:I'm thinking of making a new skillbuild for post-jump bowmen. With the help of Joe if he would like to help.
Looking forward to it~
The Archer Discussion Thread - Alilatias - 2011-05-21
Got to 13x and passed BE30 on my first try. Life is good.
I'm expecting the post-jump build to be something like BE -> SE (party) or Advanced FA -> Spirit Link (for the HP) or Hurricane? *shrugs*
The Archer Discussion Thread - JoeTang - 2011-05-21
Locked Wrote:I'm thinking of making a new skillbuild for post-jump bowmen. With the help of Joe if he would like to help.
I'm always gonna update that sticky I have on the Archer subforums. Would be glad to help out. Gonna have to crank out quite a bit of math for 4th job since there's so many important skills.
I should probably update the minor change for Chaos soon too.
The Archer Discussion Thread - lilnet - 2011-05-22
Would this be a reasonable build for a lv 150 bm :
With 93 SPs for 4th job skills
- Max Hurricane (30)
- Max Marksmanship (10)
- Max Concentrate
- 1 Dragon breath
- 9 SE (when would this be maxed anw?)
- Max Phoenix (10)
- 3 MW ?
The Archer Discussion Thread - Locked - 2011-05-22
30 Bow Expert.
30 Hurricane
1 Pulse
1 Phoenix
30 Concentrate
1 SE.
Finish SE or Marksmanship if you'd like and then go with MW.
The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-05-22
So I couldn't sleep, decided to log on randomly (haven't been bothered with Maple for a while)... then decided I felt like training.
Got to 60% when I started at 20. I'll hit 162 sooner than I thought.