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Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mute - 2010-09-14
ChaoticCJ Wrote:I still do not entirely trust you, I am sure you can understand-you probably don't trust me 100%. If you do turn out to be one of us(assuming you will get voted out), then I will know Kurt is good, but Meta is gonna have a lot to explain.
I actually embrace that people don't trust me. I've given my role, and said as much as i am at liberty to divulge. That i screwed up early on with what i did is perfect grounds to be distrustful of me.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - MetaSeraphim - 2010-09-15
I go to sleep and wake up to two pages. lol
ElectricSix Wrote:I still find MetaSeraphim to be the most suspicious given his past posts and actions.
I find you equally as suspicious due to the fact that you seem to be so on ends about being connected to MasPan, which could imply that you're in a group MasPan isn't a part of.
ClawofBeta Wrote:Plus Meta keeps on accusing me of Mafia.
You're going to use that as an excuse that I am mafia? I already told you why I accused you of mafia is because you did it first. You listed a few things that might make me a mafia, and I listed the exact same things you did back to you. Making it a case of the kettle calling the pot black. The fact that you seem to take such an offense to being called mafia makes me wonder, plus the fact that it seems like you're desperately trying to prove you're Terran, and plus you let your ego go by saying "(why would the Mafia let a trusted innocent live?) unless a Doctor saves me =D.".
Anyway, you still aren't very high on my suspicious list.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ElectricSix - 2010-09-15
ChaoticCJ Wrote:With all that in mind, back to the game.
I think either Ray or Tobias is the protoss Mothership. They are out for one round and there is no stasis. Ray may be accusing me of being mafia because he is protoss. If Tobias dies, and he is Terran-it just makes Ray even more suspicious. Just a thought.
I still find Tobias, Ray, Kurtle, and, Meta all suspicious. I am going to wait to see how this plays out.
As far as the whole stasis thing, it was prevented from occuring this past night. As far as Ray being Protoss, I'd say that's probably a no. As far as Tobias being Protoss, it's possible, and I'd prefer that to the alternative of him being Zerg, and prefer even more if he was Terran.
Anyway, for the moment, I'm 95% sure Kurtle isn't Protoss, though I know me saying so doesn't necessarily prove anything. I do admit that it's possbile that Kurtle is a Zerg, but I'm hoping that isn't the case and also hoping that I can at least somewhat verify that in a roundabout way. Thus, to my reasoning, as I'm fairly sure Meta is a mafia based on his past behaviour, I've decided that lynching him will help with that somewhat. Because if Meta is a Protoss then it means that there's a fair chance that Tobias is a Zerg. If Meta is a Zerg on the other hand, then chances are good that Tobias is a Terran. If Meta happens to be a Neutral, then that doesn't really help much, but it will give us clues as to whether or not Tobias's previous statements are accurate as he's suggested that Meta is a Zerg, which will also help as far as Kurtle's Terran/Zergness. And since I wanted to include all possibilities, if Meta is a Terran, something rather unlikely in my mind at this point, I think I'll just have to scrap all my previous thoughts on people and start from anew. So by lynching Meta, assuming he is a mafia of some sort, will help me determine whether or not Tobias is to be trusted or not, and also hopefully determine Kurtle's trustworthiness as well.
@Tobias: It depends on whether you count the neutrals as townies or anti-townies. If they count towards townies, then youre assessment of things is likely correct, if they count towards the anti-town side, then it's probably 3 and 3 with 2-3 neutrals.
@Meta: I don't think I've been "on ends" about my connection to MasPan. I offered up that I had some thoughts about it and later on offered up what I thought might have been his role as I thought that I had perhaps determined what the connection was referring to. It was a guess that so far has neither been confirmed nor denied by him. If someone besides you needs more concrete evidence than that, I'll do my best to provide it, but as I suspect you of being a mafia, your "suspicions" don't phase me.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - MasPan - 2010-09-15
I assume the "connection" has to do with one of us targeting the other or someone targeting the both of us somehow. I'm at a lost, in all honesty. Ofc, it could always just be that we both fell into a similar phenomenon and the newscaster was commenting. Nobody said the reporters were 100% accurate/reliable/relevant.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - MetaSeraphim - 2010-09-15
ElectricSix Wrote:your "suspicions" don't phase me.
I wasn't using it as a threat like some people in this thread 'lololol, don't do that or you'll be suspicious to me." that is simply retarded. I was merely voicing an opinion that it's odd how you read so deeply into it. Also, don't speak down to me just because you're suspicious of me. There is nothing more I hate than when in these games people start speaking to other people like they're scum just because they assume they're scum.
To be honest I am really just guessing wildly just as you and everyone else is doing. I thought Meph might have been something else than what he was claiming to be because at the time he made the very odd comment of "They have two powerful roles" and at the time I thought it was possible he was getting info from another place and therefore was a possible mafia member (Or cheater), however I was completely wrong in my thinking and admit that. I also admit I shouldn't have voted for him so soon without letting him explain himself first, but every single person who has voted in this thread is guilty for voting too fast without having all the facts yet.
[spoiler=For Mephisto Don't Bother Reading It.]
Mephisto Wrote:You voted for me because you weren't paying attention to the game and decided I was mafia for saying "Protoss has 2 power roles already, a detective in addition seems unlikely." It's funny when you try to change your story though.
Putting words into my mouth are we? I never changed my story. I never said I voted for you because I wasn't keeping up on the back story, I said I was paying more attention to the main story than the back story. And that I voted for you because of your odd statement which has yet to be proven. I know you won't reply to this, but avoid putting words into my mouth in future games.
Mephisto Wrote:And even if your belief that I was Zerg was a factor in your vote, you still voted on a possibility instead of a sure thing.
It wasn't a sure thing, nothing in mafia games are a sure thing until someone dies or until the end of the game.[/spoiler]
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ThatHurts - 2010-09-15
[B]Vote: TobiasBlack / Mute
Like he said, if we kill him, we can clear kurtle. It'd be nice to have another confirmed terran.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ChaoticCJ - 2010-09-15
MasPan Wrote:Nobody said the reporters were 100& accurate/reliable/relevant.
This ^. I don't even know how I won the Mai Tais.
*Sips one of the Mai Tais*
I am still gonna enjoy them, because the bartender over there makes a hell of a Mai Tai.
Also I am probably going to vote for Tobias considering his weird behavior all of the sudden. I almost believed him and was going to vote for Meta till I wake up and he changes his vote. Lets see how he tries to spin his vote change.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mute - 2010-09-15
why the vote change? simple: why wouldn't i want another chance to expose a mafia member? Yes i fully accept that i may be lynched and if that is what it takes to prove my innocence then so be it. however, lynching meta and seeing his role would also vindicate me and get rid of a mafia member. If enough people change their votes to Meta then one of the mafia's will lose a member, and that'd give me one more night to investigate another player. I changed my vote because i accept what will come, but im still going to fight.
EDIT::
I am the role checker. I am capable of seeing what a person's role is, but due to the stipulations of the role i cannot say what i discover directly. example: I cannot say "X is Y, and can do Z." I can allude, imply, and give hints of what i find out so long as i do not say specifics. Earlier i taunted meta a lot about it, and was hoping someone savvy with SC would've been able to figure out his role. Ive given enough clues to the best of my knowledge from my gleeming over of the wiki and what i saw from my investigating Meta.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Kurtle - 2010-09-15
[Vote]MetaSeraphim
Tobias has not lied about my role. I refuse to release my abilities because it may lead to me being a huge target for one of the enemy races.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Kurtle - 2010-09-15
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Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Corn - 2010-09-15
I'll switch vote tor MetaSeraphim, because if he's innocent, we have two definite mafia.
[vote] MetaSeraphim
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Dual - 2010-09-15
Mute Wrote:Vote: MetaSeraphim
I am not mafia. I will put my own life under the axe to prove this.
My role is Egon Stretmann, and I am the investigator.
MetaSeraphim is not to be trusted. Alone he is useless but he is a terrible aid to his mafia.
Kurtle is a key aid to we Terrans.
I know that no one believes me, and will accept that i messed up by mixing up kaijiti and kurt. I also accept that no one will believe me about what i am saying until my role is made clear. If it takes me killing myself then so be it.
[COLOR="green"]I am guessing based on what Tobias is implying, Meta is the Mothership. The Mothership requires a large crew to control, which is probably what his line about being useless when alone meant, and how it is a great aid to it's comrade, just like how it is in the game, being mainly a support unit.
Regardless of if he's a mafia a not, if we kill based on his order, it will either confirm him or expose him. There's no point to eliminating him right now just because of suspicious behavior. Don't forget, there's two nightkills that are possible to happen, and if Tobias is actually mafia and makes us kill one of our best team mates, the other mafia will kill him for being mafia.[/COLOR]
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ThatHurts - 2010-09-15
ClawofBeta Wrote:I'll switch vote tor MetaSeraphim, because if he's innocent, we have two definite mafia.
vote MetaSeraphim
That's actually a very good point... Gonna switch my vote to meta.
vote MetaSeraphim
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ChaoticCJ - 2010-09-15
I will trust you this time around Tobias, as you have earned it. As you said, by killing Meta it will confirm your innocence.
[vote] MetaSeraphim
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - MetaSeraphim - 2010-09-15
Oh, well, my goose is cooked. Few things I want to say though. I never lied in any of my posts, each person I said I was suspicious I was truly suspicious of. I did not vote for Meph to get him out of the game. I believe Dusk and DualReaver are mafia members.
That's all.
Also, due to the utter pitifulness of my character I want an over dramatic death. Maybe something like blowing everyone's clothes off them causing everyone to have to change before going to the cantina. (Wouldn't have any effect on the game of course, just my dying wish.)
Good luck to the remaining 4 sides!
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mute - 2010-09-15
Kurt you still have your vote against ChaoticCJ bolded on page 11.
Same to you Corn on page 10.
this day really has encompassed a lot of pages of the thread. (I'm using the default 20 posts per page)
and to everyone: you won't regret this, i promise you that. thank you.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - MetaSeraphim - 2010-09-15
Mute Wrote:you won't regret this
But of course you know that you've made both you and Kurt out to be big targets now, so you might come to regret it. Many people are already assuming Kurt is the doctor.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mute - 2010-09-15
MetaSeraphim Wrote:But of course you know that you've made both you and Kurt out to be big targets now, so you might come to regret it. Many people are already assuming Kurt is the doctor.
By that same coin anyone can be in danger. My role is known, ive said it openly repeatedly. Mas has argued against Ray, which puts either or at risk for arguing against one another if either or is a mafia. Ray also voted for CJ based on what appeared to be a wild guess. Anyone and everyone is at risk until the mafia is eliminated.
and question: who has assumed that? i've not seen anyone discuss it in the thread as much as people've suspect myself and others. by that notion i'm a bigger target.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - MetaSeraphim - 2010-09-15
Mute Wrote:and question: who has assumed that? i've not seen anyone discuss it in the thread as much as people've suspect myself and others. by that notion i'm a bigger target.
It's in the thread somewhere, I don't feel like looking for it. I think it was mainly because of the comment you made "Kurt is the key to the Terrans winning" which means he has a powerful role.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mute - 2010-09-15
MetaSeraphim Wrote:It's in the thread somewhere, I don't feel like looking for it. I think it was mainly because of the comment you made "Kurt is the key to the Terrans winning" which means he has a powerful role.
Could imply many things.