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4th job Single Target DPS - Russt - 2009-08-17
ImVindictive Wrote:You can't do what your suggesting because an assassinate boomerang step combo takes 2 seconds to complete. You are basically telling people to mulitply 80k * 480 times (8 minutes). If you want to show DPS, it has to be in minutes or several seconds because combos don't just burst out in 1.0 seconds. Hell BS takes 1.4 seconds. I bring this up because that second does indeed count.Yes, you can.
Once again let me reitterate, this is a suggestion not a demand. This spreadsheet is by far good enough to do what I'm suggesting on your own time. I'm only telling you it can be more precise head on.
Say a Boomerang step combo takes 2 seconds and does 80k damage.
Then essentially you do half a combo in 1.0 second, so your ADPS is 40k damage. That's what he has calculated on that spreadsheet.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2009-08-17
ImVindictive Wrote:You can't do what your suggesting because an assassinate boomerang step combo takes 2 seconds to complete. You are basically telling people to mulitply 80k * 480 times (8 minutes). If you want to show DPS, it has to be in minutes or several seconds because combos don't just burst out in 1.0 seconds. Hell BS takes 1.4 seconds. I bring this up because that second does indeed count.
Once again let me reitterate, this is a suggestion not a demand. This spreadsheet is by far good enough to do what I'm suggesting on your own time. I'm only telling you it can be more precise head on.
Take some math classes, learn what an average is.
4th job Single Target DPS - KhainiWest - 2009-08-18
Dusk Wrote:Take some math classes, learn what an average is.
..Take some literature classes to interpret what I'm saying. Average isn't what I'm asking for; I was asking if you'd do more accurate chart since you were editing it anyway that is much more pin point. Considering realistically you don't do 120 barrages in 2 minutes, which your spreadsheet has a lot of people believing, then you could show the true damage classes do at point blank.
If you want to be a plantain about it that's fine, say you aren't interested and move on. Southperry's community disappointments me further.
4th job Single Target DPS - Russt - 2009-08-18
Yes, you don't do 120 barrages in 2 minutes. That's why he divides by the time in seconds. Each barrage is 3.2 seconds (or whatever), so he takes the Barrage damage and divides it by 3.2 to get the damage you'd do in an average second.
Not in any given second, in an average second.
Say in the first second you do 120k damage.
Then your skill animation drags on for the next 2 seconds, doing no damage.
Your average damage per second is 40k, even though you're not actually doing 40k in any given second.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2009-08-18
ImVindictive Wrote:..Take some literature classes to interpret what I'm saying. Average isn't what I'm asking for; I was asking if you'd do more accurate chart since you were editing it anyway that is much more pin point. Considering realistically you don't do 120 barrages in 2 minutes, which your spreadsheet has a lot of people believing, then you could show the true damage classes do at point blank.
If you want to be a plantain about it that's fine, say you aren't interested and move on. Southperry's community disappointments me further.
1. reading comprehension = literature?
2. 13 pages of replies and you're the only one that believes these numbers actually correlate to how much damage is being done in one attack. Total damage in one attack is not relevant here, except as it is used with attack speed in the process of finding an average.
DPS is not a calculation based on "you have one second to attack GO!" If it helps, think of it as "damage per minute" divided by 60. Last I checked, the SI unit for time is the second, not the minute.
I understand perfectly what you're saying. You're the one that doesn't get it. Call me a plantain and insult Southperry, but YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT. SLOW DOWN FOR A SECOND.
4th job Single Target DPS - ¥-Striker-¥ - 2009-08-18
¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:The combo's formula is 100% accurate?
Is AC% + 20% + (Orbs-5) x 4% correct?
So for Dawn Warriors it would be 140% + 20% + (10-5) x 4% = 180%?
Can someone tell me?
Erm Russt, you said in Post#224 that the Dawn Warrior's Combo% could be found in the Skill.wz. So assuming what you said was true it is 180% for Dawn Warriors?
So when using Brandish : 230% x 180%(AC) x 120%(Soul Charge default +20%) x 125%(Soul Charge elemental advantage against holy weak mob is +25%, not +50%) x 2hits x 3mobs = 3726% ?
OMG that's a heck load of damage.
Can any kind and experienced forummer clear my doubts?
Help?
4th job Single Target DPS - Russt - 2009-08-18
Yes, 180% for Dawn Warriors. 3726% on 3 mobs, though that doesn't really mean much as a figure.
4th job Single Target DPS - ¥-Striker-¥ - 2009-08-18
Russt Wrote:Yes, 180% for Dawn Warriors. 3726% on 3 mobs, though that doesn't really mean much as a figure.
"though that doesn't really mean much as a figure" What you mean by this?
4th job Single Target DPS - MasPan - 2009-08-18
Polearm Crusher with SE may be worth noting vs Polearm Fury with SE. It may be higher by a slim margin because of how SE works (adding % instead of multiplying). I can provide Crusher damage on Blue Snail with pics of my range if this assists in determining Crusher's weakness with a PA Stab.
4th job Single Target DPS - ¥-Striker-¥ - 2009-08-18
Spears beat Polearms. Nuff said.
4th job Single Target DPS - JoeTang - 2009-08-18
MasPan Wrote:Polearm Crusher with SE may be worth noting vs Polearm Fury with SE. It may be higher by a slim margin because of how SE works (adding % instead of multiplying). I can provide Crusher damage on Blue Snail with pics of my range if this assists in determining Crusher's weakness with a PA Stab.
No, Fury should still have higher dps.
4th job Single Target DPS - MasPan - 2009-08-18
¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:Spears beat Polearms. Nuff said.
[color="#cc8899"]I could mention a lot of scenarios in which this is not true. Instead, I offer an exp race at Oblivion 4. I can keep up with most Paladins there, let alone AMs/Bishops there. I'd be hard put to believe a Spear DrK could top 10m exp an hour there solo (1x). Your comment is irrelevant, useless, unwanted, and in several situations outright wrong.
JoeTang Wrote:No, Fury should still have higher dps.
I'm not so certain. It's close either way, but 3 hits with a passive chance of adding 140% at a 15% rate adds quite a bit over 1 hit with said rate. My Crusher damage is roughly higher than my Fury damage most of the time, or is equal to it the rest, though slower. With the advantage from SE favoring Crusher over Fury, it could potentially surpass it on a single target.[/COLOR]
4th job Single Target DPS - modular - 2009-08-18
MasPan Wrote:I'm not so certain. It's close either way, but 3 hits with a passive chance of adding 140% at a 15% rate adds quite a bit over 1 hit with said rate. My Crusher damage is roughly higher than my Fury damage most of the time, or is equal to it the rest, though slower. With the advantage from SE favoring Crusher over Fury, it could potentially surpass it on a single target.
while you may or may not be right, i think you can be doing better things with a single target.... like pushing it so you have a 2nd/3rd/more to hit. shouldnt you be ignoring single targets as long as you have a polearm equipped?
4th job Single Target DPS - JoeTang - 2009-08-18
MasPan Wrote:I'm not so certain. It's close either way, but 3 hits with a passive chance of adding 140% at a 15% rate adds quite a bit over 1 hit with said rate. My Crusher damage is roughly higher than my Fury damage most of the time, or is equal to it the rest, though slower. With the advantage from SE favoring Crusher over Fury, it could potentially surpass it on a single target.
ADPS Dragon Fury with Polearm SE30 Berserk30 Normal (6) + Booster:
(250%+21%)*2.0/0.72
752.78%/s/mob
ADPS Crusher with Polearm SE30 Berserk30 Normal (6) + Booster:
(170%+21%)*2.0*3*0.6/0.93
739.344%/s/mob
4th job Single Target DPS - ¥-Striker-¥ - 2009-08-18
Spears beat Polearms.
Coz Berserk effects per hit. So Buster hit 3 times thus having more potential.
4th job Single Target DPS - JoeTang - 2009-08-18
¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:Spears beat Polearms.
Coz Berserk effects per hit. So Buster hit 3 times thus having more potential.
Ahahahaha oh wow. This is the stupidest argument I have heard for Spear > Polearm.
Berserk affects your damage range, it has nothing to do about per hits.
4th job Single Target DPS - ¥-Striker-¥ - 2009-08-18
Fury before Berserk : 170% x 3 = 510%
Fury with Berserk : 340% x 3 = 1020%
Ain't this how Berserk work?
4th job Single Target DPS - kingdj333 - 2009-08-18
Why so much numbers?
I can't comprehend all these numbers.
4th job Single Target DPS - MasPan - 2009-08-18
¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:Fury before Berserk : 170% x 3 = 510%[color="#cc8899"]
Fury with Berserk : 340% x 3 = 1020%
Ain't this how Berserk work?
Fury - faster and hits 6. Crusher is slower and 3. Spear has advantage for 1v1 and small mobs, but PA is far better at large mobs. You didn't specify anything other than spear > PA, so I called you out on it.[/COLOR]
4th job Single Target DPS - Stereo - 2009-08-18
¥-Striker-¥ Wrote:Fury before Berserk : 170% x 3 = 510%
Fury with Berserk : 340% x 3 = 1020%
Ain't this how Berserk work?
Yes, except you're using the percents for Crusher there.
Fury without Berserk: 250% = 250%.
Fury with Berserk: 500% = 500%.
Berserk always doubles damage, so it's equally good for any DK skill...