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Character Card System - Chilly - 2012-10-01
Toastyc12 Wrote:Level 200 mercedes. Ran Heroes Will and started stopwatch app on my phone simultaneously. I was able to recast Heroe's Will at about 5:44-5:45. (5:45:80, the time I was able to react fastest to HW triggering, might have a small margin of error ~50ms) (Started spamming the button at about the 5:30 mark, just to be sure I got it earliest possible.)
Thanks for helping out, I was just about to turn over my own results. Your results are beyond conclusive though. For me, 362.50s control, down to 352.49s experimental for my Level 70 Mercedes; 20 trials each.
The text of the Aran/Evan cards have also been changed to more accurately describe their effects: "70% chance to recover X% of Max HP/MP with each attack. 2x effect takes place when activated multiple times (activates once every 60 seconds)."
Character Card System - Stereo - 2012-10-02
Chilly Wrote:The text of the Aran/Evan cards have also been changed to more accurately describe their effects: "70% chance to recover X% of Max HP/MP with each attack. 2x effect takes place when activated multiple times (activates once every 60 seconds)."
It's still not activating at a 70% rate, though. I'm gonna try to do some tests to figure out a more accurate number.
Waiting at least 10 seconds between attacks (usually more like a minute)
No heal: ii
heal: iiiii iiiii ii
85% success rate. But a decent number of these were the 2x effect.
Doing sequences of attacks until it does not heal:
0 heals: i
1 heal: iiiii iiiii
2 heals: iiiii ii
3 heals: i
as an aside, it seems to 2x the healing amount every time - I get 322, 644, 1288. (these are 6%, 12%, 24% of my *base* hp, not the total I see ingame).
Stating the obvious... this is way, way more healing than I get during normal training. Basic timing indicates there's actually a 10 second interval between successful heals. Since I am waiting longer than that, I get a heal almost every time.
Numbers are consistent with a near 100% success rate on the first heal, and 70% chance of 2x heal. I'm not sure how frequent 3x heals are but it's a very small number (I see them during training sometimes but only once while testing)
Character Card System - street - 2012-10-03
[quote=LiquidSwing]I guess the next big question is what combination yields the most damage. This is what I can think of so far;
For Warriors
Spoiler
Character Card System - Grey - 2012-10-03
street Wrote:I'm only getting powefrul charge s and not receiving a charge. In stero post he says you can only have on effect present then why does this guy post that you can have two set presents? In both warrior sets does all the characters have to be the same rank for more than one effect to stack? So i can get 14% hp to damage? If its been answered before i'm sorry
You can't stack any of the ones that say they're unique set effects, which are all the class effects basically.
Character Card System - street - 2012-10-04
iAmFear Wrote:You can't stack any of the ones that say they're unique set effects, which are all the class effects basically.
Well i guess i wont be wasting time on a pally for the physical damage bonus then.
So if i make 2 buccaneers will the physical damage bonus stack?
Character Card System - Dark Link - 2012-10-04
street Wrote:Well i guess i wont be wasting time on a pally for the physical damage bonus then.
So if i make 2 buccaneers will the physical damage bonus stack?
Yes, those do stack. It's just "Set effects" that are unique.
Character Card System - Voyeur - 2012-10-20
[Set 1] Mechanic, Buccaneer, & Thunder Breaker.
Effects; Buff duration increase, level to physical+magical damage x 2, Ignore Monster defense
[Set 2] Demon Slayer, Dark Knight, & Paladin.
Effects; Status Resistance, max hp and level to physical damage, hp to damage.
Except for maybe Kaiser in one of the Warrior Slots, does this Card set up seem viable and optimum or is there a better option set up for a Mercedes or Dual Blade/Shadower as the main target for these effects.
Character Card System - Even - 2012-10-20
Voyeur Wrote:[Set 1] Mechanic, Buccaneer, & Thunder Breaker.
Effects; Buff duration increase, level to physical+magical damage x 2, Ignore Monster defense
[Set 2] Demon Slayer, Dark Knight, & Paladin.
Effects; Status Resistance, max hp and level to physical damage, hp to damage.
Except for maybe Kaiser in one of the Warrior Slots, does this Card set up seem viable and optimum or is there a better option set up for a Mercedes or Dual Blade/Shadower as the main target for these effects.
First of all, I dont think its worth spending so much time into this and many char slots but be my guest if you want to. However I still think you should move away from thunder breaker and get angelic burster instead and replace dark knight with kaiser.
If I were you I would go with
1st set: Mikhail, Kaiser & Demon slayer
2nd set: Cannoneer, Angelic burster & mechanic
But no the kaiser card is horrible for mercedes, dual blader and shadower simply because you dont need 2ndary stat after tempest but he still gives the 10% link skill rather than like 4-5% from dark knight card.
Character Card System - Voyeur - 2012-10-20
Even Wrote:First of all, I dont think its worth spending so much time into this and many char slots but be my guest if you want to. However I still think you should move away from thunder breaker and get angelic burster instead and replace dark knight with kaiser.Already have an available account with 7 free slots on it since I came back after a long, long break. And thank you for your advice but I am very particular and delve deep into the perfection side of games lol
If I were you I would go with
1st set: Mikhail, Kaiser & Demon slayer
2nd set: Cannoneer, Angelic burster & mechanic
But no the kaiser card is horrible for mercedes, dual blader and shadower simply because you dont need 2ndary stat after tempest but he still gives the 10% link skill rather than like 4-5% from dark knight card.
I don't know what your boner is for the Cannoneer or Mikhail, saw you suggest those two before but, I really don't care for the 5% extra defense since I play very effectively with kiting/mobility characters and if I plan to be dying that much that I'd need a card slot to warrant Exp loss, I don't think I should be looking at ways to negate the effect, and rather the cause. Aka I wont die, and if I do alot, there's more to solve then the Exp loss you know what I mean? haha But yeah Probably the Angelic Burster would be beneficial, to both classes, thanks.
Set 1: Mechanic, Bucc, Thunder Breaker
Set 2: Angelic Burster, Demon Slayer, Paladin
=] Looks sexy.
Character Card System - Curtiss - 2012-10-20
Actually, you should not put a KoC into your deck as your max rank bonus (The Hero one) will be limited to rank A and not rank S even if all three of your characters are level 120.
Character Card System - Voyeur - 2012-10-20
Curtiss Wrote:Actually, you should not put a KoC into your deck as your max rank bonus (The Hero one) will be limited to rank A and not rank S even if all three of your characters are level 120.
Really? o_o; Ahh, yeah, I see. Well then I will just swap it out for some other pirate I suppose to keep that PDR bonus ^^
Thanks.
Character Card System - DarkForgeJ - 2012-10-20
Curtiss Wrote:Actually, you should not put a KoC into your deck as your max rank bonus (The Hero one) will be limited to rank A and not rank S even if all three of your characters are level 120.
I read somewhere (correct me if i am wrong) that what counts is the average level of the set, let's say the set is a KoC(120), another level 120, and a lvl 200, in the end it's going to be a S set rank since the average level would be 146
Character Card System - Even - 2012-10-20
Voyeur Wrote:Already have an available account with 7 free slots on it since I came back after a long, long break. And thank you for your advice but I am very particular and delve deep into the perfection side of games lol
I don't know what your boner is for the Cannoneer or Mikhail, saw you suggest those two before but, I really don't care for the 5% extra defense since I play very effectively with kiting/mobility characters and if I plan to be dying that much that I'd need a card slot to warrant Exp loss, I don't think I should be looking at ways to negate the effect, and rather the cause. Aka I wont die, and if I do alot, there's more to solve then the Exp loss you know what I mean? haha But yeah Probably the Angelic Burster would be beneficial, to both classes, thanks.
Set 1: Mechanic, Bucc, Thunder Breaker
Set 2: Angelic Burster, Demon Slayer, Paladin
=] Looks sexy.
Nothing special, just that you get all link skills, koc buff and everything with LEAST char slots used but if you really want to use so much time to perfect this then go ahead and do the set you already have now. Kaiser wont change anything but still replace thunder breaker with angelic burster and put some warrior in the 2nd set. Thunder breaker bonus dmg is just not that good at all and you cant obtain the lvl 120+ 3x card bonus which is better than tb bonus together.
Set 1: Mechanic, Bucc, Angelic Burster
Set 2: Dark knight, Demon Slayer, Paladin
that would be my suggestion untill something better comes out.
Edit: keep in mind that after tempest the cards change to lvl 30, 60, 100 and 200 so you wont need to level them futher than 100.
Character Card System - Curtiss - 2012-10-20
DarkForgeJ Wrote:I read somewhere (correct me if i am wrong) that what counts is the average level of the set, let's say the set is a KoC(120), another level 120, and a lvl 200, in the end it's going to be a S set rank since the average level would be 146
That's what I initially thought too but it's proven otherwise in this statement by Stereo:
Quote:Additionally, for sets of particular ranks, you get bonuses. These sets are not unique - both sets can give the same or different ranked ones.
All characters in the set must have achieved the rank to get these bonuses.
The Hero's Feat bonus (The one that adds HP, bossing damage and so on) is entirely dependent on rank; as KoCs can reach a maximum of rank A your entire deck would be brought down to rank A even if your average level is > 120. I believe the set effect you're referring to is the card set effect (Three Archers and so on) and yes, that one is determined by your deck's average level.
Character Card System - Dark Link - 2012-10-20
There's also the "Double Kaiser" / "Double Burster" system for double STR / DEX, which is what I plan on doing.
Can't say "no" to 80+ STR and 80+ DEX.
Character Card System - Takebacker - 2012-10-20
Even Wrote:First of all, I dont think its worth spending so much time into this
So wrong.
Even Wrote:If I were you I would go with
1st set: Mikhail, Kaiser & Demon slayer
2nd set: Cannoneer, Angelic burster & mechanic
Lol what. Kaiser does nothing for his characters. Mikhail is so insignificant it's hilarious he's even a card. Cannoneer sucks too.
Character Card System - Curtiss - 2012-10-20
Takebacker Wrote:So wrong.
Lol what. Kaiser does nothing for his characters. Mikhail is so insignificant it's hilarious he's even a card. Cannoneer sucks too.
I think he was referring to the 10% HP link skill from Kaiser since both Mercedes and Dual Blade don't have the highest of HP. I'd agree though, those two cards kind of blow and I'd recommend a Marksman just to get the critical rate of both classes even higher.
Character Card System - ChronosXIII - 2012-10-20
Even Wrote:Edit: keep in mind that after tempest the cards change to lvl 30, 60, 100 and 200 so you wont need to level them futher than 100.
I don't see anything about those changes in Max's blog.
Character Card System - Chilly - 2012-10-20
ChronosXIII Wrote:I don't see anything about those changes in Max's blog.
He doesn't mention it explicitly in this post, but someone asks a question about it in the comments section. Just search "card" or "card set bonus" and you'll see it.
Character Card System - ChronosXIII - 2012-10-20
Chilly Wrote:He doesn't mention it explicitly in this post, but someone asks a question about it in the comments section. Just search "card" or "card set bonus" and you'll see it.
Ah.
Well that makes things even easier. Lol.