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[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - GodCanJudge - 2010-07-07
@Froznlite, yes i'm pretty sure because fiel posted the equips right after mentioning the epic equips
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - FluffyFoxxie - 2010-07-07
Not to mention mages also have the highest survivability in the game thanks to MG... I'd kill for some MG... lol
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Cactuar - 2010-07-07
Y'know what would make this simpler? Frozen, run your stats with your posted multiplier and post your range. That would give us a fair idea of what to expect of at the very least average funded ele wand users compared to normal players.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Hazzy - 2010-07-07
FluffyFoxxie Wrote:Not to mention mages also have the highest survivability in the game thanks to MG... I'd kill for some MG... lol
MG is not all it's cracked up to be. Having to pot twice... any lag usually means you're dead....
It sucks. I'd much rather have a Warrior's HP.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Kalovale - 2010-07-07
Hazzy Wrote:MG is not all it's cracked up to be. Having to pot twice... any lag usually means you're dead....
It sucks. I'd much rather have a Warrior's HP.
Pot twice? Hello gMS?
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - JoeTang - 2010-07-07
Hazzy Wrote:MG is not all it's cracked up to be. Having to pot twice... any lag usually means you're dead....
It sucks. I'd much rather have a Warrior's HP.
I can't even begin to explain.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - FluffyFoxxie - 2010-07-07
Kalovale Wrote:Pot twice? Hello gMS?
lol yeah I was gunna say "what's wrong with ales?" Also lag for ANY class means you're dead.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - GodCanJudge - 2010-07-07
FluffyFoxxie Wrote:Not to mention mages also have the highest survivability in the game thanks to MG... I'd kill for some MG... lol
actually, i agree with the other guy
MG is a pain in the ass, it uses mana up ridiculously fast and sometimes it might be smarter not to use MG
it's hard to explain, but really, MG is overated
oh and ele wands will be OP because, thinking about it logically, Nexon korea balances for KMS, which does not have ele wands and you have to agree that ele wands are much better than reverse and even timeless
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - FluffyFoxxie - 2010-07-07
GodCanJudge Wrote:actually, i agree with the other guy
MG is a pain in the ass, it uses mana up ridiculously fast and sometimes it might be smarter not to use MG
it's hard to explain, but really, MG is overated
I've played as a bishop. I've played as a MM. I can say with 100% certainty, that given the choice between the two in terms of HP/MP and MG or no MG, i'd much rather go with the MG setup. You'd be a damn fool to choose bowman or any ranged classes HP over typical mage setup.
Edit: Take into consideration that you even HAVE the option to use or not use MG. Ranged classes get no choice in the matter, our HP just sucks period and obviously we get no defensive skills to compensate. Even shadow shifter and the high avoid of NL doesn't really count because if a monster can kill you 100%, then what's it matter if you can dodge a few hits before it lands one?
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - GodCanJudge - 2010-07-07
FluffyFoxxie Wrote:I've played as a bishop. I've played as a MM. I can say with 100% certainty, that given the choice between the two in terms of HP/MP and MG or no MG, i'd much rather go with the MG setup. You'd be a damn fool to choose bowman or any ranged classes HP over typical mage setup.
Edit: Take into consideration that you even HAVE the option to use or not use MG. Ranged classes get no choice in the matter, our HP just sucks period and obviously we get no defensive skills to compensate. Even shadow shifter and the high avoid of NL doesn't really count because if a monster can kill you 100%, then what's it matter if you can dodge a few hits before it lands one?
HAHAHA U BE MEGA NOOB HAHAHAHA
RANGED classes are RANGED and are different from MAGE classes
HAHAHAHAAHA
MAGE classes arnt RANGED HAHAHAHA
actually im jk...
but really MG is still a pain in the ass and it feels (at least to me) that it makes pot costs skyrocket
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - LegendGospel - 2010-07-07
It makes sense that the new cape and circlet are new items, probably from new quests. Since every area is changing their quests. I hope to see more cool rewards like these, perhaps one for magic accuracy.
It's not game breaking since you still can't go totally DEXless or LUKless, you still need DEX and LUK to equip your higher level equipments for higher % bonuses. They're just a really nice thing to have, I guess.
Good thing I haven't got my mule to 50, brb getting Cruel Ring. =)
HOLY pomegranate WE'RE GETTING CHAT TABS!!!
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - FrozNlite - 2010-07-07
Cactuar Wrote:Y'know what would make this simpler? Frozen, run your stats with your posted multiplier and post your range. That would give us a fair idea of what to expect of at the very least average funded ele wand users compared to normal players.
Sure thing. Chances are I'm completely wrong, which is totally fine. I'd rather be wrong and laughed at, like we all are every now and then, so long as ArchMages have something to offer for 1v1 DPS content (read: mid-tier).
Calculations
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - cronnoponno - 2010-07-07
Page:
- Flame Charge reduced from 135% to 130%
- Ice Charge reduced from 130% to 120%
- Lightning charge reduced from 130% to 125%
- Combat Orders now requires level 5 Restoration
- Blast damage reduced from 700% to 280%. It now attacks 1 mob 3 times at all levels. The probability of instant death is reduced from 15% to 10%
- Divine Charge reduced from 145% to 135%
- Heaven's Hammer damage increased from 1100% to 1400%
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I don't think I want to amke a paladin anymore lol.
About the MG:
I don't know why anyone can honestly say MG is over-rated. It's obviously the most superior skill I've ever had as a mage, I'm able to take hits on par with warriors, how is that honestly over-rated? Yes, it does take 3x the pots to make sure my mp is in PERFECT condition(really, it's easy to accidently die because you don't know how the hit will calculate and it's just safer to pot to max hp every hit most of the time), but seriously...I love MG.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Hazzy - 2010-07-07
LegendGospel Wrote:HOLY pomegranate WE'RE GETTING CHAT TABS!!!
OSHIT. SAUCE ON THIS? I know jMS got them a while ago, but kMS? :OOO
GodCanJudge Wrote:RANGED classes are RANGED and are different from MAGE classes
Mages attack from the same range as Ranged classes. The only difference would be HS Mu- I mean Priest, Ultimate Spam, and Teleport.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - byakugan - 2010-07-07
FrozNlite Wrote:Like I said, do we know? Not as of this patch, but what if tomorrow KMS released them?
This patch is 6+ months away from Elemental Weapon versions. Please. Calm. Down. For the third time, I agree with you as things currently stand. And again, 6+ months away from Elemental Weapon versions. Plenty of time to change things as necessary.
You went from "You people suck, you want to nerf AM cuz they pwn every one now" to "Just wait and see, they might fix it" Way to change your mind without actually admiting that you were wrong
I think what someone else suggested about taking out the elemental bonus out of the elemental weapons and giving Lukless ones a Luk requirement is a good choice. Considering the level they all require, their magic attack is fair. However, on the other hand, apples should be taken out. KMS's potential system plus these big bang updates are gonna take our damage to heaven, so even the "100% damage increasement" option sounds too broken to me. If something, just make it 50% damage increasement. It would still be the strongest potion in the game so people would keep APQ'ing, Nexon keeps getting money, Now we can stack apples with any other buff or pots, and we all live a happy life.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Shidoshi - 2010-07-07
The only problems I see when comparing MG to a warrior's HP:
-Dispell, no recovery time, you are ready to die at any time.
-Can't simply be healed when seduced/dojo
-Damage Reflect goes through MG
-Stun + Dispell
-Seal + Dispell
And those are enough to give us some problems most classes don't face.
I agree with FrozNlite, we have to wait and see how mages will fare against other classes before having any conclusions on elemental weapons.
Also, what is the problem if after 7 years of being the underdog bossing class we are suddenly good at bossing (and without ultimates!)?
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Cyanne - 2010-07-07
GodCanJudge Wrote:HAHAHA U BE MEGA NOOB HAHAHAHA
RANGED classes are RANGED and are different from MAGE classes
HAHAHAHAAHA
MAGE classes arnt RANGED HAHAHAHA
actually im jk...
but really MG is still a pain in the ass and it feels (at least to me) that it makes pot costs skyrocket
I don't think it's more expnesive to use magic guard than it is to survive as a ranged class. I have to use a ginger ale every single hit both while training and at high-damaging bosses (or every other hit/3 hits for low-damaging ones), I'd like to think you'd be able to survive more than 1 hit with 75% of your hp/mp, other than 1/1s of course. Magicians are technically ranged by the way, you can attack from a long range.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - FrozNlite - 2010-07-07
byakugan Wrote:You went from "You people suck, you want to nerf AM cuz they pwn every one now" to "Just wait and see, they might fix it" Way to change your mind without actually admiting that you were wrong
I think what someone else suggested about taking out the elemental bonus out of the elemental weapons and giving Lukless ones a Luk requirement is a good choice. Considering the level they all require, their magic attack is fair. However, on the other hand, apples should be taken out. KMS's potential system plus these big bang updates are gonna take our damage to heaven, so even the "100% damage increasement" option sounds too broken to me. If something, just make it 50% damage increasement. It would still be the strongest potion in the game so people would keep APQ'ing, Nexon keeps getting money, Now we can stack apples with any other buff or pots, and we all live a happy life.
I did admit I'm wrong in my last post (the one with calculations), though I was typing it while you posted this
. And going off those calculations, if we truly are OP then I support everything you said in your last paragraph.
Oh, and @Hazzy: We're ranged and melee, but at the same time we don't have the same range as ranged classes, like you said. If Papulatus is KB'd to the left side of the map, my Paralyze can't hit it from the right-edge of the highest left-side platform NLs and BMs can stand under and still hit with TT and Hurricane, respectively.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Kalovale - 2010-07-07
Shidoshi Wrote:Also, what is the problem if after 7 years of being the underdog bossing class we are suddenly good at bossing (and without ultimates!)?
Completely agreeing with this, provided that they don't shoot from the bottom of the well up to clouds nine in a wink.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - GodCanJudge - 2010-07-07
Hazzy Wrote:OSHIT. SAUCE ON THIS? I know jMS got them a while ago, but kMS? :OOO
Mages attack from the same range as Ranged classes. The only difference would be HS Mu- I mean Priest, Ultimate Spam, and Teleport.
I said i was kidding... i know mages attack from the same range as ranged classes...