Marksman Bryan Wrote:That said, I think the next best course of action for humanity in general (with or without devastating climate change) is to pursue space exploration. I've changed my field of studies to be in line with the space industry, both because I think it is the most important endeavor for mankind and because it's pineappleing space and space is cool as pomegranate.

Flonne Wrote:You have clearcut examples of how terrible our society is, and you want to help spread it to other planets? There are currently only 2 routes our society can go down unless major (read:impossible) changes are made to every facet of civilization down to our basic human nature, one is we go extinct on this planet, and the other is we assimilate and systematically destroy as much of space as we possibly can before we are culled into extinction by every other race in the universe once they notice how pineappleing terrible we are. Right now, I doubt they can see us given our infinitesimal universal footprint, and that's the only saving grace we have. I mean, at best, we might make for decent forced labor, I guess, but nobody is going to greet us with open arms, either an imperialistic society will overtake us or a peaceful society will take one look at our culture and tell us to beat it, then kill us when we mistakenly assume they are weak and attack them for their technology.

SaptaZapta Wrote:Ah, so just like every politician ever, he's making extravagant campaign promises which he knows will never be fulfilled.

xparasite9 Wrote:nah, what I mean is the wall is not going to be "ten feet taller" than originally planned, and he's probably not going to "make mexico pay for it" in entirety. Besides, just building the wall will save the country so much money it will pay for itself in a year.

MuscleWizard Wrote:it's almost like you lack any grounding in reality whatsoever

Materials alone...

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000


And that's not including labor, transport, storage, maintenance, and staffing.

Avg wage of a government general contractor is around 62k a year

and you're gonna need thousands to actually get this done, and it's gonna do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to get the illegals that are already in, out.

Also, there's costs of maintaining the tools they're using, fuel, permits, and all kinds of other things. The wall won't happen. Because not only will you have the cost of the wall being built, you'll STILL have the problem of the illegals that are ALREADY HERE.

https://newrepublic.com/article/118602/deporting-all-undocumented-immigrants-would-cost-billions-immigration

"After running the numbers, CAP estimated the cost for deporting 10.8 million undocumented immigrants in America would be $200 billion over five years. DHS would also need $17 billion each year thereafter for continued enforcement. "

xparasite9 Wrote:200 billion over five years. that's 40 billion per year. to deport 7people costing us 100 billion per year. yeah idunno I think it'll work out pretty good.

MuscleWizard Wrote:If you can tell me where that extra 57 billion dollars is going to come from, I'll take your responses seriously.

MuscleWizard Wrote:In 2010, the Annual budget of the department of homeland security was $55.1 billion per year.

You'd have to raise an extra 40 billion dollars per year in order to fund this plan's initial inception, and then spend 17 billion per year according to their estimates to keep it running, and that's just for the deportations.

But you're only looking at one side of the coin, and that is, while they're funneling 100 billion away per year, is it ACTUALLY hurting the economy.

xparasite9 Wrote:It doesn't matter whether or not it "hurts" the economy. You're essentially asking where the hell the money can come from, and here it is. I've pointed out a source, where it can provide in excess, and you're slapping it down because...reasons??

MuscleWizard Wrote:except that isn't a source.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:You didn't ask for a source, you asked him to tell you where the money was going to come from and he did just that. You can't move the goal post whenever you want just to benefit yourself.


You're on this weird witch hunt-esque campaign against Trump. It is hard to tell whether shilling is your full time job, or if you're a living aggressive version of that meme of the person who is getting progressively worried that Trump might actually win.

xparasite9 Wrote:200 billion over five years. that's 40 billion per year. to deport people costing us 100 billion per year. yeah idunno I think it'll work out pretty good.

KhainiWest Wrote:No one knows the cost, both sides are speculation. Half the reason the wall can't get built, if you remember when George Jr tried, was incredibly complicated real estate/border laws. Many ranches lost, some even half of their own property by government trump(pun) laws. Led to lawsuits, and just in general a lot of backlash which is why the wall was never finished, or fence to actually graph out in the first place. This doesn't even include the treaty involving the gulf, which you want to try to amend without pissing off mexico? Trump better have some plantain suckin lips.

xparasite9 Wrote:He's such a master negotiator, and exploiter of eminent domain. If there is one person who could actually have a chance pulling it off, it's Trump.

KhainiWest Wrote:No one knows the cost

MetaSeraphim Wrote:I don't understand why you quoted me.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:You didn't ask for a source, you asked him to tell you where the money was going to come from and he did just that. You can't move the goal post whenever you want just to benefit yourself.


You're on this weird witch hunt-esque campaign against Trump. It is hard to tell whether shilling is your full time job, or if you're a living aggressive version of that meme of the person who is getting progressively worried that Trump might actually win.

KhainiWest Wrote:Actually it's Hilary as she'd probably have the criminal record to actually get an appointment with the cartels and strike up a suitable deal

MuscleWizard Wrote:it's 100 billion in regular income from the illegals that are working.

xparasite9 Wrote:[URL="http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/USCostStudy_2013upd.pdf"]
you're misidentifying what the 100 billion is.[/URL]

MuscleWizard Wrote:I still stand by my belief that it would be cheaper to start programs to legalize those already here, while also working on tightening our border control.

if you can turn an illegal into a citizen, they become a revenue generator.