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Patch Feedback Thread - hadriel - 2013-03-21

I shelled nearly 300m after failing 4 books. That's after the price has dropped a bit.

Hadriel

Patch Feedback Thread - Zerard - 2013-03-21

Yikes. :f6: I'm glad I got that as my special back when Phantom first came out.

Patch Feedback Thread - MetaSeraphim - 2013-03-21

Zerard Wrote:100m per book? Damn, you're insane. I'd never spend that much on a book in my life. :f6:

Maple Warrior?

Patch Feedback Thread - Arcana27961 - 2013-03-21

Zerard Wrote:100m per book? Damn, you're insane. I'd never spend that much on a book in my life. :f6: Still, it just furthers the notion that books shouldn't exist.

Also, gave Silent Crusade a shot, which resulted in Iron Skin 20 (as I predicted).

IF you manage to successfully use MW20 and 30 on the first try, you will waste at least 800 mil. I will never forget losing 400 mil on a failed MW20... Frown I'd rather wait for Nexon to remove the Skillbook/MB system from the game than buy another MW book.

Patch Feedback Thread - Zerard - 2013-03-21

MetaSeraphim Wrote:Maple Warrior?

Arcana27961 Wrote:IF you manage to successfully use MW20 and 30 on the first try, you will waste at least 800 mil. I will never forget losing 400 mil on a failed MW20... Frown I'd rather wait for Nexon to remove the Skillbook/MB system from the game than buy another MW book.

I'm probably never gonna buy those books, lol. The only way I'll have a MW over 12 is finding it from a MMB. Tongue

Patch Feedback Thread - MetaSeraphim - 2013-03-21

Arcana27961 Wrote:you will waste at least 800 mil

Waste is a strong word. If you mostly play the game solo and you're never around people having MW30 is nice.

Patch Feedback Thread - YennoX - 2013-03-22

Zerard Wrote:I'm probably never gonna buy those books, lol. The only way I'll have a MW over 12 is finding it from a MMB. Tongue

If I ever find one from an MMB, the first thing I would do is sell it.

Patch Feedback Thread - Eyon - 2013-03-22

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And I am sitting here trying to sell those stupid MW20 and 30 books, which I have tons of, and NO ONE wants it...

Patch Feedback Thread - Curtiss - 2013-03-22

Eyon Wrote:[Image: 2z67d41.jpg]
And I am sitting here trying to sell those stupid MW20 and 30 books, which I have tons of, and NO ONE wants it...

9.9m? The hell, there's botters everywhere at MSEA and it still doesn't go that low!

Patch Feedback Thread - Eyon - 2013-03-22

Curtiss Wrote:9.9m? The hell, there's botters everywhere at MSEA and it still doesn't go that low!
Let me enlighten you a bit at EMS its economy:
15% gear go for 100m~
empress gear go for 5-15M
EVERY single skillbook is 15M or less, no exceptions. Mihile was released last week, and I did not sell ANY skillbook for it, and I had them for 5M ea.
Since Cash trade is enabled in EMS, and thus legal, you can buy a pack of normal cubes for 90M and Super cubes for 450-500M. Hammers are 25M, Psok 80.
There are SO MUCH miracle scrolls that miracled items do not even sell, watch my screen shot again.
See that Timeless blooms there in my shop? It is 7 times miracled. That is 142 ATT right there for 44M and no one wants it.

I just found a Heliseum pirate cape and threw 5 EE's on it (which are tops 250K btw) then SoKed it.
So I was there with a 50 all stat 8/12 WATT/MATT cape tradeble. And I have had it in my shop for 3 weeks before it sold for 100M.
AEE's are 1.5M btw.

It is so bad that I can sell a ABR for 50M and can use that money to buy a 12% INT tempest/darkness ring.
Chaos and Miracle chaos you ask? 2M and 5M TOPS.

Coming back to those mastery books, there are SO many that people throw them AWAY upon finding if it is not a book for one of the new classes. Meaning that I can not get my hands on books for my DrK with out spamming my guild and buddylist about the fact that I am looking for it.

TL;DR
EMS economy is pretty bad

Patch Feedback Thread - Curtiss - 2013-03-22

Eyon Wrote:Let me enlighten you a bit at EMS its economy:
15% gear go for 100m~
empress gear go for 5-15M
EVERY single skillbook is 15M or less, no exceptions. Mihile was released last week, and I did not sell ANY skillbook for it, and I had them for 5M ea.
Since Cash trade is enabled in EMS, and thus legal, you can buy a pack of normal cubes for 90M and Super cubes for 450-500M. Hammers are 25M, Psok 80.
There are SO MUCH miracle scrolls that miracled items do not even sell, watch my screen shot again.
See that Timeless blooms there in my shop? It is 7 times miracled. That is 142 ATT right there for 44M and no one wants it.

I just found a Heliseum pirate cape and threw 5 EE's on it (which are tops 250K btw) then SoKed it.
So I was there with a 50 all stat 8/12 WATT/MATT cape tradeble. And I have had it in my shop for 3 weeks before it sold for 100M.
AEE's are 1.5M btw.

It is so bad that I can sell a ABR for 50M and can use that money to buy a 12% INT tempest/darkness ring.
Chaos and Miracle chaos you ask? 2M and 5M TOPS.

Coming back to those mastery books, there are SO many that people throw them AWAY upon finding if it is not a book for one of the new classes. Meaning that I can not get my hands on books for my DrK with out spamming my guild and buddylist about the fact that I am looking for it.

TL;DR
EMS economy is pretty bad

Pretty bad, you say. That is the kind of thing that would have me jumping ship at once, we're only up to the part where people toss books for non-popular classes.

Patch Feedback Thread - godofturtles - 2013-03-22

Curtiss Wrote:Pretty bad, you say. That is the kind of thing that would have me jumping ship at once, we're only up to the part where people toss books for non-popular classes.

But I'm pretty sure its been that way for quite a while, certain books haven't deflated at all in a LONG time. Those EMS prices seem like a horrifically bad omen like you said, its crazy that they've allowed that game economy to get so bad. How did it even get that way.

Patch Feedback Thread - Eyon - 2013-03-22

godofturtles Wrote:But I'm pretty sure its been that way for quite a while, certain books haven't deflated at all in a LONG time. Those EMS prices seem like a horrifically bad omen like you said, its crazy that they've allowed that game economy to get so bad. How did it even get that way.

Why hackers ofcourse!
It all started sometime ago with a famous /m find by some hacker. You could type /m somenumbershere and you would get free White scrolls and shet.
Then hackers started duping like crazy, and with crazy I mean that for around a full month every evening the channels would go down one by one.
With such a overflow of good items people, who did not know they were duped, started to give out their money making the hackers richer and richer.
Then a massive amount of PEOPLE got hacked and all the godly stuff and their mesos was with hackers who tried to sell it. Thus there was a enormous amount LESS money in the game since all the hackers had it.
Yet there was a overload of godly gear, drastically decreasing the price of that. With around 75 hackers in the FM selling godly gear, people had no choice of selling for low as well since others would not buy it otherwise.

So we arrived at this point were there is a overload of items, godly items, books, apples, cash shop items, but no mesos to buy it.

Patch Feedback Thread - godofturtles - 2013-03-22

I thought so, but I wanted someone else to say it so I wouldn't be accused of turning this into a hacker discussion thread lol. So I wonder what all the people who advocate for unregulated hackers as being "good" for the economy would say to this.

And on topic sorta, I don't understand why Nexon does not find a solution to the skillbook mad rush that happens when a new class is out. Tempest was great for allowing the infinite special books, and the free special at level 70 is nice, but as of now we're stuck with prices that are not unprecedented (I remember 200 mill ancient warding and ridiculous DS books) and it makes it pretty irritating for a lot of people. Good equips are already hard enough to get for most people, why should their skills be so hard to get too?

Patch Feedback Thread - YennoX - 2013-03-22

Since my only source of income is picking up mesos on the ground, the EMS economy would suit me very much.

Patch Feedback Thread - Jamesie - 2013-03-22

I'd honestly say your (EMS) economy is doing better overall. But then again, I'm poor.

Patch Feedback Thread - Polantaris - 2013-03-22

Zerard Wrote:Man, I just can't stand it right now. I really want to play my Hayato/Kanna right now but the freaking fm wants a fraction of your soul for every book you need. While Kanna's getting better, Hayato's books are dumb.

Got lucky with a Hitokiri 20 (only 15m) and succeeded on the first try. Later, I used an owl and found a 30 for 35m. I shouldn't have bought it, because the pineappleer failed. Tongue

This is why the concept of mastery books shouldn't even exist.

Mastery Books are the perfect example of the rich getting richer, ESPECIALLY with everything having been replaced with Secret Mastery Books. All that happens is before a new class is released, some rich people stock up on them (ESPECIALLY if the books are released early), and then when the class comes out they have a ton of books but they're all for an excessively high price that no one lowers for a long period of time.

That's one of the reasons I don't get the hype for a new class. You can't even fully experience it unless you're filthy rich for a few months.

In JMS, for a very long time there was a period where Mastery Books you needed either didn't exist because the mobs that dropped them weren't trained on, or were for classes that were popular and cost an arm and a leg. Fourth Job was just utterly retarded in every way imaginable, because you couldn't level any skill. I remember when Demon Slayer came out and trying to buy any books at all was like a joke.

@Above: How the hell is Maple Warrior so cheap...MW20 is still like 300m in JMS and MW30 is even worse. You have no idea how happy I was when I saw that Kanna and Hayato got their own version that was already Lv.30 max.

Patch Feedback Thread - Mazz - 2013-03-23

Polantaris Wrote:Mastery Books are the perfect example of the rich getting richer, ESPECIALLY with everything having been replaced with Secret Mastery Books. All that happens is before a new class is released, some rich people stock up on them (ESPECIALLY if the books are released early), and then when the class comes out they have a ton of books but they're all for an excessively high price that no one lowers for a long period of time.

That's one of the reasons I don't get the hype for a new class. You can't even fully experience it unless you're filthy rich for a few months.

In JMS, for a very long time there was a period where Mastery Books you needed either didn't exist because the mobs that dropped them weren't trained on, or were for classes that were popular and cost an arm and a leg. Fourth Job was just utterly retarded in every way imaginable, because you couldn't level any skill. I remember when Demon Slayer came out and trying to buy any books at all was like a joke.

@Above: How the hell is Maple Warrior so cheap...MW20 is still like 300m in JMS and MW30 is even worse. You have no idea how happy I was when I saw that Kanna and Hayato got their own version that was already Lv.30 max.

Not really... since like Renegades there have been class specific MMBs in the respective event shops, you can get a few books for free from various theme dungeons (Neo City, LHC, Silent Crusade, are there others?), and a couple of Hot Time events giving out another free class specific book. Hayato/Kanna are expensive because they were taken from a different version of MS which didn't have those luxuries, but generally it isn't too expensive to play new classes.

And it's actually more profitable to stockpile MMBs and just sell them without opening. When Kaiser/AB/Lumi were released MMBs shot up from 6-7mil to 21-25mil for a couple of weeks and then steadily declined after the Hot Time events.

I agree that the MMB system is awful though. The pre-big bang method of obtaining certain skills from quests was great, it should have stayed like that but made all skills and all levels of skills available via quests rather than needing any books though.

Patch Feedback Thread - Eyon - 2013-03-23

Polantaris Wrote:@Above: How the hell is Maple Warrior so cheap...MW20 is still like 300m in JMS and MW30 is even worse. You have no idea how happy I was when I saw that Kanna and Hayato got their own version that was already Lv.30 max.

Simple, the spawn of rare monsters in EMS is extremely high.
In a single hour of training I get AT LEAST 15+ MMB's.

Patch Feedback Thread - Razmos - 2013-03-23

Eyon Wrote:Simple, the spawn of rare monsters in EMS is extremely high.
In a single hour of training I get AT LEAST 15+ MMB's.
HNGGGH.
Why don't I play EMS again? D: