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Summarized %/s List - Mazz - 2013-04-28
JoeTang Wrote:Maybe there's something about Final Cut I don't understand, because a Dual Blade would need 270% Boss to do that on top crits.
[MENTION=2375]Mazz[/MENTION] how much does Final Cut improve your damage?
This might be helpful, damage range testing with and without Final Cut active.
At 54k range ~150k crits seem to be the average, with Final Cut active I was hitting 240ks on average. Seems to be damage * 1.6
I can record/take more screenshots if you like, not sure how much information you need.
Summarized %/s List - GeistesblitZ - 2013-04-28
oh cool, so they're not actually as bad as the chart makes them seem they are. perhaps with some buff duration/skill cooldown skills they'd actually be pretty good... TIME TO JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON YAY! still wish my dexless hermit was viable again though *memories of outdamaging lvl 100 players at lvl 80 5 years ago*
Summarized %/s List - JoeTang - 2013-04-28
Mazz Wrote:This might be helpful, damage range testing with and without Final Cut active.
At 54k range ~150k crits seem to be the average, with Final Cut active I was hitting 240ks on average. Seems to be damage * 1.6
I can record/take more screenshots if you like, not sure how much information you need.
If you could just check if the 60% bonus from Final Cut is additive or multiplicative with other total damage/boss damage, that's all I would need to know. 10% from Elementalism is a bit small, and it's very difficult to follow so many numbers from different skills in that video.
So maybe Phantom Blow with some boss damage against a boss, and then try again with Final Cut to see the difference on your highest hits.
Summarized %/s List - GeistesblitZ - 2013-04-28
Hey, since dawn warrior has been finalized and released in KMS, when do you think you'll be able to add them to the table? I'm really curious to see how good their dps is.
Summarized %/s List - JoeTang - 2013-04-28
GeistesblitZ Wrote:Hey, since dawn warrior has been finalized and released in KMS, when do you think you'll be able to add them to the table? I'm really curious to see how good their dps is.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=47548&page=32&p=1124999&viewfull=1#post1124999
I don't think it's changed since KMST, but I'll be double checking later if I'm not busy.
Summarized %/s List - Mazz - 2013-04-28
JoeTang Wrote:If you could just check if the 60% bonus from Final Cut is additive or multiplicative with other total damage/boss damage, that's all I would need to know. 10% from Elementalism is a bit small, and it's very difficult to follow so many numbers from different skills in that video.
So maybe Phantom Blow with some boss damage against a boss, and then try again with Final Cut to see the difference on your highest hits.
With 80246 ~ 89162 range:
30% + 30% + 15% boss (dagger + Demon Slayer link skill)
9% total damage (dagger)
= 84% boss & total damage
(no Elementalism, I took it off this morning by accident)
100% PDR (50% Phantom Blow, 30% Codex, 21% nebulite)
872717 max damage with Final Cut
543873 max damage without Final Cut
I recorded 5 minutes of solid attacking with Phantom Blow at Chaos Zakum and those numbers were the highest damage I saw in that time, I can upload the clip if you want, not sure if you need it though.
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Summarized %/s List - GeistesblitZ - 2013-04-28
cool, so confirmed that dual blade final cut is multiplicative with total damage.
and if that's updated since the nerf in kmst, then no, they haven't changed since then. wow though, their damage is sooooooooooooo much lower than i thought it would be...
EDIT: o wait i was looking at the number without hypers...
Summarized %/s List - GeistesblitZ - 2013-04-30
Why is the dawn warrior dps in this table different than the one in the warrior %/s thread?
Summarized %/s List - JoeTang - 2013-04-30
GeistesblitZ Wrote:Why is the dawn warrior dps in this table different than the one in the warrior %/s thread?
It's not.
Summarized %/s List - GeistesblitZ - 2013-05-01
wait wut in the last page it says v476 and it has "1 Target: 10469%/s", and i'm pretty sure they haven't changed since then...
Summarized %/s List - noeul - 2013-05-01
does the kaiser portion of the chart this include the hit that was removed from Gigas Wave from the hyper patch?
Summarized %/s List - JoeTang - 2013-05-01
noeul Wrote:does the kaiser portion of the chart this include the hit that was removed from Gigas Wave from the hyper patch?
It is the nerfed Gigas Wave from the Hyper patch.
Summarized %/s List - GeistesblitZ - 2013-05-09
Oh hey have you tried comparing assassinate with 100% boss damage WITHOUT dark sight to the MC+boom step+ME+assassinate number? I understand assassinate with dark sight is weaker, but without the dark sight assassinate should have next to no % total damage (aside from the hyper which you would definitely need to get if you were to spam assassinate without dark sight), so I think it might be stronger than the MC version
Summarized %/s List - Pythagoras - 2013-05-10
This is probably a dumb question, but may i know why Wind Archer is far more superior than others archers as well as phantom considering they are hurricane-esque classes?
Summarized %/s List - Arrol - 2013-05-10
Pythagoras Wrote:This is probably a dumb question, but may i know why Wind Archer is far more superior than others archers as well as phantom considering they are hurricane-esque classes?
Wind Archers is the only classe with two FA skills, one normal and one hyper. Not to mention one of the hypers gives the normal FA another attack count.
Summarized %/s List - Pythagoras - 2013-05-10
Arrol Wrote:Wind Archers is the only classe with two FA skills, one normal and one hyper. Not to mention one of the hypers gives the normal FA another attack count.
So Trifling Whim and Storm Bringer are the main reasons why they are so overpowered now...
Summarized %/s List - Mazz - 2013-05-10
[MENTION=535]JoeTang[/MENTION]; for Dual Blades, is Advanced Dark Sight used at all? I guess probably not since it has such a low activation chance but with the max evasion rate being lowered from 100% to 90% it might be somewhat useful. I was also wondering how much of a difference it would make to the %/s if Final Cut was active 100% of the time?
I should add however, Advanced Dark Sight doesn't work on mobs that deal %HP damage as far as I know, and it also isn't triggered by damage over time. It works on the rocks in Horntail's cave, and I've seen it in a couple of KMS DB videos at stuff like Chaos HT/Zakum.
Summarized %/s List - Takebacker - 2013-05-10
Pythagoras Wrote:So Trifling Whim and Storm Bringer are the main reasons why they are so overpowered now...
On point horizontal aerial/grounded mobility doesn't help the argument at all either.
Summarized %/s List - fodjgngf - 2013-05-10
Mazz Wrote:[MENTION=535]JoeTang[/MENTION]; for Dual Blades, is Advanced Dark Sight used at all? I guess probably not since it has such a low activation chance but with the max evasion rate being lowered from 100% to 90% it might be somewhat useful. I was also wondering how much of a difference it would make to the %/s if Final Cut was active 100% of the time?
I should add however, Advanced Dark Sight doesn't work on mobs that deal %HP damage as far as I know, and it also isn't triggered by damage over time. It works on the rocks in Horntail's cave, and I've seen it in a couple of KMS DB videos at stuff like Chaos HT/Zakum.
I was always under the impression that unless you had >50 MS ping Adv. Dark Sight was detrimental.
Summarized %/s List - Mazz - 2013-05-10
fodjgngf Wrote:I was always under the impression that unless you had >50 MS ping Adv. Dark Sight was detrimental.
No idea, I remember back before Big Bang there was a lot of talk about whether or not Adv. Dark Sight was worth putting points into because of the lag but I don't think it's too bad.. 20% damage is pretty decent and I haven't noticed any delay when using it (or when it triggers), and I'm from Europe so the connection isn't great anyway. I don't know how the numbers go though.
But as far as %/s go that shouldn't make a difference, since it's supposed to be optimal.