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KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - xallista - 2012-09-14

As pointed out, I included the dot. And lightning spear is pathetic considering its speed and cooldown, since other people can just cast their hyper-ulti and carry on with their normal dps skill while I/Ls are stuck standing there for 8 seconds to do the same thing. Maybe if they made it work like AB's hyper skill (cast it and it will continue hitting while allowing you to cast other skills) then it would be worth a damn. Otherwise you're probably better off spamming chain lightning for dps at a boss.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Takebacker - 2012-09-14

xallista Wrote:As pointed out, I included the dot. And lightning spear is pathetic considering its speed and cooldown, since other people can just cast their hyper-ulti and carry on with their normal dps skill while I/Ls are stuck standing there for 8 seconds to do the same thing. Maybe if they made it work like AB's hyper skill (cast it and it will continue hitting while allowing you to cast other skills) then it would be worth a damn. Otherwise you're probably better off spamming chain lightning for dps at a boss.

Chain lightning can't do more than 10 million per cast/second. No ice lightning skill can. Therefore lightning spear is better if you average more than 7m damage with it.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Jamesie - 2012-09-14

JoeTang Wrote:I don't understand how 21000% is exaggerating. It will always do 21000% if the monster doesn't die. Just because it can't crit does not magically make 21000% lower. 21000% over 30 seconds is still 700%/s, which is +33% of a non-Mist Eruption F/P's total DPS, and over +10% of one using Mist Eruption. And it always uses the maximum damage of your range which is unaffected by any buffs an F/P has, so it technically does 24000%.
Would it also be affected by Burning Magic's +10 second increase to all DoTs?

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - IImaplers - 2012-09-14

Of course I'm discounting the fact that both IL and FP attacks have a cap of 10 mil. In hitting the cap:

MF: 60-120 mil damage every 90 seconds, and let's assume DoT hits about 1 mil each tick (may or may not be accurate or realistic), for 30 mil damage. That's a total of 90-150 million damage.

LS: 90 mil damage every 90 seconds.

Meh, calculated it wrong before editing. FP would win here, easily. I might have undervalued the DoT also by a lot.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Question - 2012-09-14

IImaplers Wrote:I didn't see any DoT coming from Meggido Flame, and it hits more than once? It attacked 3 times in that cast, but that might have something to do with the 20% regen. Weird 0.O

Those numbers just seem inaccurate, unless MF does hit more than once under normal circumstances. I'm not too sure what "proc" is, so I could be completely wrong on this one.

I don't think it's the DoT that's crit-ting (Fire Aura has no DoT, afaict - and DoT cannot crit anyway)). I think he can attack from a rope as long as the monsters are in range.

ok fire aura is OverPowering..... way OverPowering to Ice Aura ..... 3mil max dmg every 2 sec is crazy buff for f/p

i got a question
when he turn on Fire Aura can he attack still? or he cant do anything? till aura turn off?

WHAT MAKE FIRE AURA OP IS THAT IT CAN ATTACK WHILE ON ROPE F6666666666666666666666

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - RedRaven16 - 2012-09-14

Question Wrote:ok fire aura is OverPowering..... way OverPowering to Ice Aura ..... 3mil max dmg every 2 sec is crazy buff for f/p

i got a question
when he turn on Fire Aura can he attack still? or he cant do anything? till aura turn off?

WHAT MAKE FIRE AURA OP IS THAT IT CAN ATTACK WHILE ON ROPE F6666666666666666666666

It doesn't say you cant use other skills so it is pretty safe to assume you can. also dark aura could also hurt things on a rope and so can dark meta

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - IImaplers - 2012-09-14

Question Wrote:i got a question
when he turn on Fire Aura can he attack still? or he cant do anything? till aura turn off?
That question was asked earlier, and I have no idea if you can or not, but I doubt it though.

edit: who knows?

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - xallista - 2012-09-14

IImaplers Wrote:Of course I'm discounting the fact that both IL and FP attacks have a cap of 10 mil. In hitting the cap:

MF: 60-120 mil damage every 90 seconds, and let's assume DoT hits about 1 mil each tick (may or may not be accurate or realistic), for 30 mil damage. That's a total of 90-150 million damage.

LS: 90 mil damage every 90 seconds.

Meh, calculated it wrong before editing. FP would win here, easily. I might have undervalued the DoT also by a lot.
I'm not sure how you're counting this, but based on your calculations for I/L's LS:

90mil dmg/90 secs
-> 90mil = 6600% (700%*8 + 1000%)
-> 700% = 9.54~mil
-> Here's the funny part, 9.54~mil per 700% means that the last hit (1000%) only does 0.459999mil more damage than the first 8 hits, so the actual calculation would probably be something like 9,999,999 (cap) per hit. (so the last hit's additional 300% becomes pointless in this case)

Using that on F/P's MF
-> 700%*6 = 9,999,999*6 or 59,999,994 (initial hit)
-> 700%*30 = 9,999,999*30 or 299,999,970 (dot)
-> 57.24+286.2 = 359999964 (total)
-> each time the 20% proc works, you will deal an additional 59,999,994 damage (bringing it it 419,999,958 damage)

Yea, your calculations are off by around 6 times. The results wont be drastically different even if you say that both cases assuming 100% crit on all hits, because that's not a feasible comparison, considering both classes' crit rates.
IImaplers Wrote:That question was asked earlier, and I have no idea if you can or not, but I doubt it though.

edit: who knows?
There was no restriction listed on Max's blog, only Bishop's toggle skill has that. Also, it would make the toggle completely pointless to use if you can't cast anything, since it would be like some slightly more powerful version of teleport mastery spam. As it stands, its something like Demon Slayer's Metamorphosis, although much more powerful but also slower.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Nanorisk - 2012-09-14

Is the Paladin's Smite affected by the 1 min cooldown effect like with Magic Crash and Binding Darkness?

Looks like Snipe/Brain Scrambler bypassing DR and SDef might be a possibility for a passive Hyper Skill? Maybe? =D

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Dark Link - 2012-09-14

xallista Wrote:So F/P officially has the strongest single-cast single-target skill in the game?

25200% for 1 cast, up to 29400% when the 2nd hit procs. That plus all the other dots they have, plus flame aura...they be 2nd-best dps class now? First being AB of course.

Raw damage doesn't mean pomegranate anymore, it's all about Hits Per Second :/

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Question - 2012-09-14

Dark Link Wrote:Raw damage doesn't mean pomegranate anymore, it's all about Hits Per Second :/

ya since there is a limit on dmg cap ..... and it only increase by 50k dmg hahah....
everything is about hit per sec and dmg cap not about dmg per sec anymore

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - xallista - 2012-09-14

Dark Link Wrote:Raw damage doesn't mean pomegranate anymore, it's all about Hits Per Second :/
Damage cap of 9,999,999 for Megiddo Flame hits essentially make them count as 10 hits of 999,999 per hit, meaning a total of 360/420/480 etc hits every 90 seconds (depending on how many times it procs the 6 hits). And didn't someone mention that DoTs do not have caps? meaning that your "x amount of 999,999 per sec" ratio has even more potential to grow, so the raw damage DOES matter in this case.

Now add fire aura into the equation (66*3,000,000 or 198*999,999 per 90 seconds) then you're looking at an increase of 558*999,999 hits per 90 seconds for F/Ps, not even counting the addtional hit you can get for paralyze, or the 20% DoT damage increase for both paralyze AND poison mist (once again assuming DoTs do not have caps). F/Ps undoubtedly got the biggest boost in DPS amongst the adventurer warrior/mages thus far.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Dark Link - 2012-09-14

xallista Wrote:Damage cap of 9,999,999 for Megiddo Flame hits essentially make them count as 10 hits per hit, meaning a total of 360/420/480 etc hits for a 90 sec cooldown skill (depending on how many times it procs the 6 hits). So yea, the raw damage DOES matter in this case.

Good luck beating Kaiser's 48.54 hits per second lol.

Plus we still don't fully know how these skills work. We've only just tipped the iceberg.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - xallista - 2012-09-14

Dark Link Wrote:Good luck beating Kaiser's 48.54 hits per second lol.

Plus we still don't fully know how these skills work. We've only just tipped the iceberg.
Angelic Burster has pomegranatetier hits/secs and yet it is the top speed bossing class in the game thus far. Funny thing is, while the available kaiser empress solo is clocked at 52mins, his hits are practically all capped so there isnt much room for improvement. The angelic burster empress solo, also clocked at 52mins, shows that her hits are not even capped yet, so with improved gear you'd be looking at something close to a 40mins solo.

Unless they change the regular cap soon, even the superior hits/sec kaiser wouldn't be able to keep up with AB.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Dark Link - 2012-09-14

xallista Wrote:Angelic Burster has pomegranatetier hits/secs and yet it is the top speed bossing class in the game thus far. Funny thing is, while the available kaiser empress solo is clocked at 52mins, his hits are practically all capped so there isnt much room for improvement. The angelic burster empress solo, also clocked at 52mins, shows that her hits are not even capped yet, so with improved gear you'd be looking at something close to a 40mins solo.

Unless they change the regular cap soon, even the superior hits/sec kaiser wouldn't be able to keep up with AB.

Empress can only be killed Sub 10 minutes on the clock.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Onion Knight - 2012-09-14

Lightning Sphere makes me think of that nasty-looking AoE indicator Dark Flare has. The Ice Aura animation also has nothing on the Fire Aura animation. Reserving further judgement on skill function until clearer information is available.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Untradeable - 2012-09-14

Dark Link Wrote:Empress can only be killed Sub 10 minutes on the clock.

SO what happens if you manage to reach her heal limit before sub 10 mins? ./curious

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Dark Link - 2012-09-14

Untradeable Wrote:SO what happens if you manage to reach her heal limit before sub 10 mins? ./curious

She continues to heal lol.

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - Untradeable - 2012-09-14

Dark Link Wrote:She continues to heal lol.

So essentially you can attack her to the heal limit then just sit there till sub 10 mins?

KMST 1.2.450 - Evolving System, Adventurer Hyper Skills, Citadel of Tyrant - ShinkuDragon - 2012-09-14

Untradeable Wrote:So essentially you can attack her to the heal limit then just sit there till sub 10 mins?

Pretty much, this if your party is that broken though. Havent gone to any runs lately (darn you internet) but we barely reached the heal limit by 9:xx