donovan Wrote:Just saying I/Ls don't need either, and Seal becomes useless 4th Job when you have Paralyze. Mages aren't even great bossers, so I'm getting all the defense towards it being a great bossing skill. But honestly there are better party buff, and if it's Between you and Paladin with CO its pretty obvious the choice that's going to be made. You may use Slow, I'm saying your efforts would be better spent somewhere else, hence the need of a better skill to replace it or a change.

Mages need more to make them less of a joke class, being High Level is not really enough, because other classes just blow of out of the water, Being Slow and using Slow just make you average while every other class is blowing you away. I think removing a lot of these joke skills are a step in the right direction. Do Paladins waste time casting Threaten, nope because they don't need some lolboost because their power alone is enough, Not saying I want some hurrdurrspamclass, but honestly Slow and Seal are not what magicians need, I should now I have 5 magician classes.

The animation is outdated and of the worse of all magician 4th Jobs skills, it could be better.

donovan Wrote:These updates are about stream lining the classes and removing things that don't fit the Magicians intended play style, useless skills, etc. If nothing else the fact that bossing is a 4th Job advent, yet Seal is available over 50 levels ago says something about the design of the skill and our class overall, Mages are midrange attackers, it's not like you need to on top of the monster and worry about them rushing you, and the most popular Bossing situations Zakum, Horntail, the greater half of PB, are all stationary.

Obviously its just me though that feels that this is a subpar skill, Archmages are attackers not support classes, and even if you think we are, is this our best contribution to the party, Slowing down the monster's movement speed, sorry, but really that's a joke. I see a lot of FPs saying that they use Slow frequently, but what I'm saying is that it provides no significant advantage, maybe in the misting days, but not now.

The other big point that I actually thought was valid was Telecasting next to the monster to improve DPS, but if you been to LHC you'd know that those monsters hit hard and have a long range, being able to KB the monster however provides the same advantage, so Slow proves its lack of worth again, and if you know how to Telecast correctly you can easily avoid the damage, keep attacking, and trigger the TeleMastery damage, on top of your summon damage, and any DoT you may have, and not have to stop and use Slow which has a Slow cast time compared to your attacking skills.

Dusk Wrote:Teleport makes up a huge part of our DPS. We have to fight melee like Warriors.

Casting Slow at LHC lets you telecast Big Bang without getting hit or spending a lot of time positioning yourself. Slow is a 600 ms skill. It casts extremely quickly and you can even do it in midair. You seem determined to hate the skill instead of looking at any of its benefits.

Lumancer Wrote:I see you your worthless skill and I raise you Doom ._.

donovan Wrote:Pretty sure Chain Lighting and Paralyze out damage Big Bang though, due to their faster cast times and DoT, without the neccesity to use Slow to avoid taking damage.

dante9898 Wrote:Wait does the AM slows works on Von Leon? O.o

donovan Wrote:Obviously its just me though that feels that this is a subpar skill, Archmages are attackers not support classes, and even if you think we are, is this our best contribution to the party, Slowing down the monster's movement speed, sorry, but really that's a joke..

Abysseon Wrote:Adding to the "what should mages get" discussion in terms of a possible reorganization:


- Paralyze, Chain Lightning, Angel Ray being multi hit while removing their mobbing abilities.
*This happened for blaze so I'm not sure why developers won't alter archmage/bishop's 1v1 the same way.
- Ifrit, Elquines, and Bahamut can become optional mounts for the respective class.


I still use slow on occasion but I would have to agree with ams needing better contributions
for partying.

Sorien Wrote:Well, I just crunched the numbers on the new power of Charged Blow, and I think that it's pretty overpowered. It deals up to 1046.5% damage on neutral mobs, and 1526% damage on holy weak mobs. Dark Impale can only reach up to 975% damage if it gets 5 crits (unless I'm missing something with how berserk works), all of which need to hit the max critical damage.

If Paladins are going to be the defensive warrior class, they're going to need to be less freaking powerful.

donovan Wrote:Do Paladins waste time casting Threaten, nope because they don't need some lolboost because their power alone is enough, Not saying I want some hurrdurrspamclass, but honestly Slow and Seal are not what magicians need, I should now I have 5 magician classes.

Kabanaw Wrote:To the first one point, removing the chain effect of a skill called Chain Lightning is silly. I agree with the multi hit idea, but making any of those skills a one mob skill is silly.

Also, El Quines or Ifrit into mounts doesn't work at all.

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