Quantact Wrote:In 3rd job, promotion point goes to dispel, the next couple in Dispel

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When you promote to 4th job, your first point should go in Genesis. Even level 1 Genesis gives you far more power than anything previously. Level it up to 20, accumulate 10 more points so when you pass Gen 30 you can max it right away. Next, you should get Maple Warrior to 19. If the rumors of Maple Warrior 30 are true, save 10 points for that. If you expect to be bossing a lot, you'll need max Resurrection. Those are the skills of main importance, and the others, including Bahamut, can be raised after these crucial three.

Vernacular Wrote:- What map would you use?
- What potions would you take?
- How many would you take?
- And if they are bought from the potion shop about how much would it be?

butterfli Wrote:sky nest 2
mana bulls, ginger ales/ginseng roots (depends on people's preference)
depends on how long you're there
new leaf city

Vernacular Wrote:pineapple, what is the kMS equivalent to those pots.
I plan to be there for 3 hours, should get me at least level and a half maybe two.

Dyxanije Wrote:Elixirs and Power Elixirs.

Vernacular Wrote:olawd
They are 13k a potion. ._.
Maybe Ji was right when she said 30m for three hours. O_O

Vernacular Wrote:olawd
They are 13k a potion. ._.
Maybe Ji was right when she said 30m for three hours. O_O

Morgana Wrote:In 3rd job, it's easier for questing if you get 1 SR as the promotion point, and you will still max HS at the same level IIRC.



Also... ewwww level 20 Gen right away? I hope you have a lot of MP because you'll be dying at Skeles in like 2 hits after a Gen. It's pointless to raise Gen until it changes the number of hits to KO. For most (not godly-funded) Bishops, they can't 2hko Skeles no matter what until 130 or later, while they will 100% 3hko fairly easily. So it's a huge waste of MP and danger of death to have Gen above 1, or maybe 5 so you can go ahead and pass Gen20. Mine is level 5 and I'm saving points because 1) I can't afford Gen30 until Time Temple and 2) I use Gen at bosses a lot (Zak arms), so level 5 is better DPS without sacrificing my training too much.

A friend of mine has like level 18 Gen at the same level as me, but his equips aren't as good, so we both 3hko. He still 3hko'ed when he had 5 Gen. But now he uses a good 3-4x the pots at Skeles as me, and only uses Ginger Ales because he needs to pot after almost every hit, whereas I can use Ginger Ales as well as cheaper MP pots.

Then again, I haven't broken 10k MP yet because I'm not LUKless, so I guess if you had like 12k MP at level 127, 4k per cast wouldn't be AS big of an issue, though I can't really see it not factoring in at ALL.

Before you're going to say that I should try an AM's MP cost, I should note that Bishops have no freeze (unlike I/Ls or F/Ps with Elquines), so we get hit. A lot. Especially at Skeles. Getting lasered at Skeles is about the same MP as casting Gen. And you will get lasered a LOT if you 3hko, especially on the top.

I would say to get at least 9 MW before you start adding more than 1 point to Gen, maybe even 19 if you can. It adds almost as much damage and is essentially free. (Except passing MW20, but again, that's not as bad as passing Gen30.)

Also, due to holy advantage, you'll 1hko Harps after you 2hko Skeles. (I don't really train at Harps since it's like 12%/hour, but it's a good farming spot, and if you sell leech it's beneficial to 1hko.) I do not know about Newties because I never train there.

tldr; Based on my experience so far, I'd recommend at least 1 Gen and 1 Res at job advance, get MW to 9 or 19 and Gen to 5, then save points until you can 2hko Skeles at a decent rate. (Calculate it out.) Otherwise, it wastes millions in MP pots and makes death at Skeles more likely, without speeding up training.


If you can pass Gen30 (at 300mil a pop), you have a lot of MP, and money is no object, then go ahead and max Gen right away. I did meet a Bishop at my job advance who said he could 1hko Harps with level 1 Gen, which is like 50% more damage than me. If you are at that point, then sure, get Gen fast, I guess. o_O

Dusk Wrote:I'm looking for some approximate exp/hr gains for mages so I have an idea of how I stack up with different training methods (solo, party with non-mages, party with bishop, leech even).

I'd appreciate info on solo exp gains on 1x for the following:

4/3/2/1-hitting Newties
3/2/1-hitting Skelegons
any number of hits at Wyverns/Peak/Harps?

I'm most interested in the bolded. Approx levels at which each is possible is also welcome. If you are Bishop or have an HS mule just divide by 1.1.

Quantact Wrote:The two 4th job Bishop skills that are most important to grinding are Maple Warrior and Genesis. You're talking about Skeles, but I liked soloing on Newts. When you reach 2hko Newts, you basically stay there because 1hko on Newts is hard for a Bishop unless he's the highest level and has extremely good gear. Skeles are technically better experience, but they require more attention while grinding, and you have to have an attacker at the bottom or the grinding blows. On Newts you can have attacker or no attacker, you still train fast. Of course I quit before the new mini-dungeons came out, so my methods may be obsolete right now.

While Gen30 is very expensive, it's not as expensive as it used to be. I lucked out, passing mine on the first try and I got it for like 270 mil. I think for what you're getting, Gen 30 is the best deal. The 50 ma att is nice, but the decrease in casting cost is simply a must if money is at all an issue.

Morgana Wrote:Well, the main reason I am focusing on Skeles is that the spawn in the mini-dungeon is insane. Because of that, most of the attackers that are higher-level than me (who I get the best experience with, yet they are happy to have me because of HS) train there. An exception would be many archmages, who would rather have the lower pot costs and similar exp (not quite as fast, usually) of Newts.

The thing about Gen 30 is:
1. I'm not counting everything on passing it on the first try. That kind of risk seems suicidal to me with only a 50% pass rate.
2. I can't afford even one Gen 30 book, whereas if I put less than 100mil into my equips and buying MW 20, I would be able to 2hko Skeles with level 20 MW and level 15 Gen (which has the same MP cost as level 30), and wait on Gen30 until I can 1hko. To me, it's worth it to wait a few extra levels of "only" getting 15-25%/hour before 2x to save several hundred million mesos...

Gen 30 still costs 250-300 mil in Bera. I don't know if you meant the old pre-box-event prices, though. I agree, Gen 30 is really, really nice. It has the most bang for your SP, certainly. I just don't feel it's worth it if I can manage to 2hko without it, and with a Gen closer to level 15 than level 20... Plus, I was referring more to your 12x, as the person above me suggested. I'd hazard a guess, based on myself and a bishop friend at the same level, that most new bishops can't handle -3500 MP at Skeles. We simply don't have the MP, because we are being hit all the time.

For soloing, Newts could be quite viable, though it personally irritates me to train there with the auto-aggro. (I hate getting knocked off platforms/ropes.) Since my last post, I trained at the minidungeon with a BM the same level as me, and it seemed fairly fast. Not as fast as with another bishop or an attacker at Skeles, though.



Perhaps... I'm just poor, and that colors my opinions. Also, I prefer to party rather than solo, since I feel like I'm missing the point of having HS if I solo...

MasPan Wrote:Training with a DrK at skeles is always an option. They'd be happy for the exp, you'd get HB and faster exp in return.

Kabanaw Wrote:Right now I can three-hit, almost two-hit, newts, and would it be decent exp to train at skeles? It seems like because I can freeze and the lack of auto-aggro it would at least cost less to train there. Right now I care less about my exp/hr than my exp/meso.

CrazyNomad Wrote:a quick question, what lvl a cleric must be to hit grims and himes with heal?

Chameleonic Wrote:I have a lv 48 Cleric I started about 4 years ago and it has 51 Luk, will it make much of a difference to my damage in the longrun or should I start over and go Lukless?

I'm planing on making it a leechmule to help me level my other chars.