Zacairga Wrote:Can you post a vid of yourself at O4, whenever you get to that level? I wanna compare it to my own training.

Zacairga Wrote:Can you post a vid of yourself at O4, whenever you get to that level? I wanna compare it to my own training.

Hazzy Wrote:O4 is now like, 160s. Tespia is on 1x. That'll take a while.

Takebacker Wrote:I laughed so hard...

Zacairga Wrote:Good job skipping over my entire second paragraph to turn this into a he said she said argument. I've proven my point to myself; I'm done.

Alloy Wrote:Threaten. You forgot that thing. That means support to the whole party, and adaptability, reinforced with combat orders. They just added a concept that was missing to begin with. Also, you keep ignoring hermits were only about movement at the beginning. You proved nothing, after all.

Zacairga Wrote:Healing. Drain saps HP from mobs and Alchemist makes pots give more HP/MP and last longer. I said I proved something to myself. I was seeing your views on it, and they're more or less what I expected.

Zacairga Wrote:Healing. Drain saps HP from mobs and Alchemist makes pots give more HP/MP and last longer. I said I proved something to myself. I was seeing your views on it, and they're more or less what I expected.

MorbidMagus Wrote:MageEvanandDrkUpdates<3

30 attack on MM is gross, but better than nothing, and certainly not something to lol at with the formula change.

I assume it will stack with Meditate/Bless? :3

Alloy Wrote:That's a good point now, and, forgetting our differences, I can see that. However, my point still stands up to some point. While it's true we have a better recovery, bandits make up with an alternate way to recover, chakra, and a skill that protects them from damage, meso guard. We are perfectly balanced there. Survavility VS optimization. It's a nice contrast. However, what I'm saying is that before, we had flash jump, and they had assaulter. However, in this situation, assaulter has lower mobility (at least better now) and only usable sometimes. Not really balanced there. However, with this simple change, us Night Lords changed from the best moving class in the game from the start, to the worst moving thief branch, because all thieves now have flash jump, but we now lack a distinct movement skill. And while I like how our optimization is getting better, it kinda reversed the roles I thought were at the start.

HOWEVER. The reason I never complained was because we don't actually loose any movement skills. In fact, we still are on the top 5, and while it's nice, it'd be interesting to see something that made us more unique on that matter, like the old times.

UHM... I think I really made myself clear this time, not sure about the other times.

Zacairga Wrote:I'm going to start this post off by saying Chakra is by all standards useless. The only time I even came close to using it was when I was in the dojo, and it wasn't even succesful because the animation takes so damned long. I'd rather have full HP in half a millisecond than wait roughly 3 seconds for a CHANCE of getting my HP back. You can't even use it unless your HP is below 50%. Fail skill is fail. Meso Guard is our only HP based skill.

Comparing Flash Jump and Assualter isn't fair in the least. You can FJ around town and from map to map while we can only use it for training. It's the only skill in the game that requires a monster to be used. Honestly, I don't think Nexon was thinking in terms of movement speed. Of Shads and Dual Blades, they're the ones who have a noticeable speed advantage. Shads are only faster when training, and we probably won't be using it while training or bossing unless it's to shorten the distance between us and a monster. Night Lords are probably going to be stuck where they are, as a skill where you rush in doesn't sound like it'll happen for a ranged class. Maybe you should make a Dual Blade or a Shadower, since apparently movement speed is what you want.

I generalized you into the lake that is the Night Lord community. All the comments about Night Lords wanting to get more speed boosts because Dits get it all blended into one massive wall of rage in my head. I thought you were some other Night Lord that had complaints very similar to your own and I apologize. I jumped the gun on that one.

Yeah, you made yourself a lot clearer this time. Before you just sounded like the stereotypical high leveled Assassin...

Alloy Wrote:Actually, there's something to make clear too, and that is that drain can only recover up to half our total hp. That means that in any place where we have barely the hp to survive, drain is totally useless. And I mean it. At oblivion I have to keep relying on potions, and if I use drain, is a 50% chance of death. Specially if a mob spawns on me, forcing me to PUNCH it, and not having recovered the hp (THANK GOD that's going away. Drain will now be efficient). Sure, Chakra is slow on lower levels, but on higher ones it's better to use, and on the Big Bang update, the mastery level is now only 10. And by all means, Meso guard actually saves money from potions, too, only on its own way.

And assaulter actually works in a different way from flash jump. Flash jump, in case you never tested, gives you pot lag, and makes you unable to attack or even pot. So it's purely for movement, anywhere... But can cost you a death or two if you don't pay attention. Assaulter is oriented only on combat, making you move better, while also useful for dealing damage. Again, it's only a matter of play styles. After the updates they are pretty balanced.

And about making a new character... I've never mained another character, since I ever started, and I'll never will. I don't really have the time to start a new one, and the style of a Night Lord is my style. Not a lot of keys, relying just on flash jump and a pair of things... And some buffs. It's just that. Oh and I'm not gonna start over my monster book D:

Zacairga Wrote:No, you're wrong. Chakra isn't good at higher levels. Nothing changes but the amount of HP recovered. I get HP from twitching my finger almost 10 times faster than using Chakra, which gets canceled out if a mob hits you. The skill only exists so we can get meso guard. That's not changing post Big Bang, while drain's usefulness is.

I have never used FJ myself (I got to lvl 75 on a hermit, but after discovering that I still was using a sole attack skill for all those levels I decided it wasn't the class for me), but from what I've seen, Hermits/Night Lords/Night Walkers can turn midair and sling some of their stars. After BB it won't really matter either way, as neither class will have a minimum range. Flash Jump is now as much of a novelty as haste. I have no problem with that.

So what you're saying is that while you only made a NL for the speed, you choose to only play it because you only have two attack skills to speak of? Seems like a 180 degree turn, but meh, we're gettin somewhere.

Alloy Wrote:The thing is mostly the style of play, I prefer to have my keyboard simple. And about chakra, I remember someone using it at the CWKPQ bosses to lure them, and he had a good level one, where the animation seemed quite faster than level 1. Can't remember who it was, maybe it was Devil's Sunrise, but not sure.

Alloy Wrote:The thing is mostly the style of play, I prefer to have my keyboard simple

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Nexon needs to introduce new keyboard options seriously... I have all except Alt mapped right now (and F9-F12) and there are still extra keys.

And I'm playing a class with only 4 attacks...

Stereo Wrote:

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Nexon needs to introduce new keyboard options seriously... I have all except Alt mapped right now (and F9-F12) and there are still extra keys.

And I'm playing a class with only 4 attacks...

Takebacker Wrote:[video=youtube;jWvhq5EuemU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWvhq5EuemU[/video].

GodCanJudge Wrote:that dark lightning skill is like hell's version of godly O_o

whats the cooldown on it?

Takebacker Wrote:5 seconds. It's pretty good, but only in it's range and mobbing ability. It's really slow, which is really annoying.