Hazzy Wrote:Throw Luk requirements on all elemental weapons and create scrolls that give wands and staves elemental bonuses. "Fire +25% Posion + 15%", or w/e it is. Make them easy enough to get and any wand becomes usable.

Dusk Wrote:Not every version has Ele Wands/Staves either. Putting aside the 25% damage boost to a specific element, the Ele Staves have 178 attack clean. Holy hell what? That's almost 50 attack higher than a Reverse Staff, and far beyond what a level 100 Staff is even capable of reaching. A well scrolled Timeless Staff can hardly beat that. If they balance mages in KMS to be competitive with other classes using Staves that have 11x~13x attack clean, then mages in GMS will seem like they're permanently on Apples.

Oh, and they also get the 25% damage boost. Yeah.

FluffyFoxxie Wrote:Just becuase it only affects a few players means it's not unbalanced? lolok.

Dusk Wrote:> 1080% CL hits 3 targets
> easily surpass 300 magic attack
> elquines does some extra damage

I see I/Ls being about as powerful as Heroes. With a weapon that boosts their overall damage by 25% and gives them an additional 40 magic attack, hohoho certainly not the weakest bossing class.

Dusk Wrote:How exactly is magic attack different than weapon attack? Thanks. My point was that they seem about on par with Heroes, not that they are better than them. So far I haven't seen any solid numbers that show that mages are have lower dps than other classes, only speculation that they will do so just because they are currently the weakest.

Fiel Wrote:[SIZE="9"]hahaohwow

You guys are about to see pretty epic equips.[/SIZE]

rhpot03 Wrote:+100% watk/matk is the same as doubling your damage, no matter what your watk and stats are, check the formulas

JoeTang Wrote:Instead of low base attack classes getting a higher ratio boost and high base attack classes getting a lower ratio boost, everyone gets the same amount.

FrozNlite Wrote:Definitely like the Magician updates. Exactly what we needed.

Now to enter this mess :

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First off, big LOL at the two most vocal proponents for removing Ele Wands being a Marksman and a Corsair. It's funny when the KMST god classes want us ArchMages potentially coming anywhere close to them to be shot down.

@FluffieFoxxie: To counter your "an item only affecting a few classes meaning it's not unbalanced" sarcasm: Apples as they currently work in GMS. The boost NLs get from them > all > the boost us AMs get to our DPS from Eles. GUD ARGUMENT.

@Dusk: Just lol. Again, you're playing a class that was already godly and is now broken, and yet you want us to suffer? Give me a break. First off, we don't get an overall 1.25 damage multiplier to EVERYTHING - it ONLY APPLIES TO THE ELEMENT OF THE WEAPON. So does that mean for BOSSING DPS we're fine? Duh. But it's not like Big Bang has a 1.25x multiplier like you make it out to be. Plus, mind you, our secondary element only gets a 1.1x multiplier. Lolkthanks for 10% more damage.

Also, complete and utter lol @ "AMs being close to Heros at bossing DPS." OO BOY WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO MID-TIER BOSSING DPS? DAMN BETTER NERF THEIR ELES BEFORE THEY THINK THEY CAN ACTUALLY BOSS WITH US!

Please. Take it from a Lv. 200, there's nothing to do in this game but boss at my level. So we can train hella fast? Big whoop. It'll be nice to see 16x ArchMages with no connections actually invited to runs now.

And a general comment to everyone pissed about eles:



I guess you all missed that on page 3 of this thread. Like many before me, quit whining about comparing MATK bonuses from Eles to other class equips. They're Lv. 130 and 163 weapons. Just wait till KMS releases the EPIC, HIGHER LEVELED, HIGHER ATT WEAPONS PAUL IS HINTHINTING AT HERE.

Christ. It's funny Dusk finished the last post I quoted him in with "So far I haven't seen any solid numbers that show that mages are have lower dps than other classes, only speculation that they will do so just because they are currently the weakest" because all of you SCREAMING TO NERF ELES don't even have said info to support your arguments. yourargumentisinvalid.jpg.

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For the record, I'm not saying Eles don't need a nerf if it turns out we're matching Corsair DPS at elementally neutral bosses - THAT would be ridiculous. But if after all is said and done an F/P or I/L with an Ele and an Apple, alongside weapon attack classes using the brand-new epic equips Paul mentioned, are matching mid-tier bossing DPS, there's nothing wrong with that. So the point I'm trying to make is to reiterate the one lesson we've all forgotten every now and then through this journey of recent KMST patches and changes: calm down, take a deep breath, and wait to see what it all means.

FrozNlite Wrote:@FluffieFoxxie: To counter your "an item only affecting a few classes meaning it's not unbalanced" sarcasm: Apples as they currently work in GMS. The boost NLs get from them > all > the boost us AMs get to our DPS from Eles. GUD ARGUMENT.

FrozNlite Wrote:@Dusk: Just lol. Again, you're playing a class that was already godly and is now broken, and yet you want us to suffer? Give me a break. First off, we don't get an overall 1.25 damage multiplier to EVERYTHING - it ONLY APPLIES TO THE ELEMENT OF THE WEAPON. So does that mean for BOSSING DPS we're fine? Duh. But it's not like Big Bang has a 1.25x multiplier like you make it out to be. Plus, mind you, our secondary element only gets a 1.1x multiplier. Lolkthanks for 10% more damage.

Hazzy Wrote:Throw Luk requirements on all elemental weapons and create scrolls that give wands and staves elemental bonuses. "Fire +25% Posion + 15%", or w/e it is. Make them easy enough to get and any wand becomes usable.



Yes, we do.
Max: 0.88*(4*INT+LUK)*mAtk/100
Min: Max*Mastery

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GodCanJudge Wrote:no offense or anything, but ur posts always seem so angry

anyways i think fiel was talking about the ludi cape and the hat and stuff... not new equips

Yeah, too many caps that time. My bad. I'm usually not that intense.

And do you "think" or do you "know" about this "stuff?"

FluffyFoxxie Wrote:Where did I say I was even a proponent of apples? Where did I say apples WEREN'T unbalanced? GUD ARGUMENT.

So your main argument about our reasoning about elemental wands/staves is because we're "KMST god classes" was it? What the hell kind of argument is that? What basis does it even have? If you're going to try to make an argument, maybe insulting one's class isn't the way to go.

About apples: True, and you're right, only including said comment earlier would have made your anti-ele post seem a lot less narrow-minded. But you've said it now, so no worries .

About my "KMST god classes" argument: Funny how people discredit Al Gore's environmental advocacy because he has a private jet and a big house. See my point? It's not the strongest argument because it doesn't quote solid data, but it's still a contention to notice. Plus, my argument there was mainly the fact that he made Ele bonuses out to be "+25% to overall damage," which they're clearly not.

FrozNlite Wrote:A (HUGE) contention I left out in the earlier post: Magicians have a 0.88 multiplier in the new formula - the worst of the bunch, so bad that it actually decreases our range before incorporating other multipliers. With Magic Mastery giving us a 1.2x multiplier, Eles giving us 1.25x, and Amp giving us a 1.5x, the math:

0.88 x 1.25 x 1.2 x 1.5 = 1.98

1.98x multiplier for Magicians < 2.0 for Night Lords.

Who also have a zomgcrazydamage Avenger for mobbing now (for those who argue the "but they can't mob!" contention)

Yeah.

Dusk Wrote:Do NLs get 2x attack earrings, 200+ attack weapons, and shields now?

FrozNlite Wrote:

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Yeah, too many caps that time. My bad. I'm usually not that intense.

And do you "think" or do you "know" about this "stuff?"



About apples: True, and you're right, only including said comment earlier would have made your anti-ele post seem a lot less narrow-minded. But you've said it now, so no worries .

About my "KMST god classes" argument: Funny how people discredit Al Gore's environmental advocacy because he has a private jet and a big house. See my point? It's not the strongest argument because it doesn't quote solid data, but it's still a contention to notice. Plus, my argument there was mainly the fact that he made Ele bonuses out to be "+25% to overall damage," which they're clearly not.

A (HUGE) contention I left out in the earlier post: Magicians have a 0.88 multiplier in the new formula - the worst of the bunch, so bad that it actually decreases our range before incorporating other multipliers. With Magic Mastery giving us a 1.2x multiplier, Eles giving us 1.25x, and Amp giving us a 1.5x, the math:

0.88 x 1.25 x 1.2 x 1.5 = 1.98

1.98x multiplier for Magicians < 2.0 for Night Lords.

Who also have a zomgcrazydamage Avenger for mobbing now (for those who argue the "but they can't mob!" contention)

Yeah.

Need I remind everyone this massive game overhaul is happening 7 years after MS was first released. Take a look at how much has changed since then, and even now. We're playing an MMO, so everything is fluid and subject to change. Like I said in my spoiler, my big post of caps was merely trying to counter ele hate in favor of "wait and see." We don't know everything yet, so please calm down until we do. I'm completely on your side if they make us broken, but not if they make us average.

And Dusk, that last paragraph can also be @'d to you. I agree with you, only I don't go the extra step and pre-emptively say to remove the Elemental Weapons.