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Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - Kawasari Mimoto - 2008-09-01
RajPwN Wrote:Thanks Tristan.You're damage is incredible. You should try to calculate what equips you would have if you sold all of your CBs equips and bought Hermit equips. 115+ W.atk total w/o pot?
Anyway, I got my FS + Pendant today. :]
I haven't really checked my Lucky Seven damage but I saw 8.4k (with 12 att pot) while hunting for Headless Horseman. I'll post L7 damage later. Here's my + dex, + luk, and range. 110 W.atk without any attack pots.
I'm gonna work on my Zakum Helmet now.. I have a bad computer (always d/cs when I enter Zakum) so I can't reloot inside of the altar. I'm aiming for a 26+ DEX Zhelm. It's clean 15 DEX atm. After that I might try to get to 120 and buying a HT Pendant + Egg.
![[Image: maple0040vq3.jpg]](http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9245/maple0040vq3.jpg)
Wow, for being like 11+ levels below my Night Lord, you have even lower base-DEX, better gear, and a much higher damage range than I do. Impressive, and congrats. =) Keep up the great job, and nice to see that you have a HT Pendant. ;]
-Lord of the Night Sky
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - RajPwN - 2008-09-02
Kasuhitomi Wrote:Wow, for being like 11+ levels below my Night Lord, you have even lower base-DEX, better gear, and a much higher damage range than I do. Impressive, and congrats. =) Keep up the great job, and nice to see that you have a HT Pendant. ;]
-Lord of the Night Sky
Thanks!! :] But I actually don't have a HT pendant. It's a Star Deputy Pendant. 5/5/5/5 100 HP/MP.
You have equips really similar to mine and a great potential but your dex is kinda high. Try switching to FS + Craven. Btw, a 58 attack Black scarab sold for 1B (999,999,999) in Scania today so yeah your Scarab should be at least 900m. With 900 mil you can get a 62 att Craven. 
Good luck!It was late at night when I was typing that.. Why do 2 mistakes matter. ._.
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - lolmaplepro - 2008-09-02
RajPwN Wrote:Thanks!! :] But I actually don't have a HT pendant. It's a Star Deputy Pendant. 5/5/5/5 100 HP/MP.
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you're =/= your
ontopic: nice range and eqps
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - DrRusty - 2008-09-02
I'm always posting assaulter damage..... here's some bstep damage lvl 24 =D
lvl 24 bstep
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lvl 1 taunt I just got this morning
lvl 1 taunt
![[Image: Maple0071.jpg]](http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/rustykundc5/Maple0071.jpg)
Training range (12 atk pot)
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![[Image: Maple0072.jpg]](http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/rustykundc5/Maple0072.jpg)
Sidenote: LVL 1 TAUNT ROCKS!!!!!!!!!11
Jr newties went from 3800 -> 4212 exp
Also, I'm gonna start doing 2 assassiante/1 bstep when I lvl so I can try to use that lvl 30 assassinate book soon.
Still B> white scroll for my dragon khanjar =*(
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - RajPwN - 2008-09-02
Range with Cider = 1596~2799 (It's at the bottom of the SS.)
L7 Dmg:
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Avenger Dmg:
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If I was using SP and I did my max L7 damage with both stars it would be..
8,716 + 8716 + 4358 + 4358 = 26,148 :]
If I was using SP and I did my max Avenger damage on 6 monsters it would be..
7516 * 6 + 3758 * 6 = 67,644 :]
I know there's like no chance that it would happen but yeah dreaming won't hurt, right?
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - FantaTwist - 2008-09-03
I was doing 10k on pap last night with a chew but i kept missing the SS T_T
Edit: Btw nice damage Raj
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - wobbufet - 2008-09-03
I hate it how we basically have to use a double standard for rating hermit damage nowadays. Dexless damage will always own lowdex with the same fundings -_-
B>Godly 200 DEX claw o_O
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - DrRusty - 2008-09-03
wobbufet Wrote:I hate it how we basically have to use a double standard for rating hermit damage nowadays. Dexless damage will always own lowdex with the same fundings -_-
B>Godly 200 DEX claw o_O
The best build will always be high attack 1st -> low dex 2nd.
Check all of the strongest hermit/NL threads you see in this forum and sleepywood. Are any of them using skandas/musashis?? nope.
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - FantaTwist - 2008-09-03
None of the dexless NL's has outdamaged me yet, or has even touched my league. <_<;
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - Trust - 2008-09-03
Greg Wrote:Alright, I've decided to convert to STR.
Lifestyles and Yoshi, would either of you mind if I asked for your STR and DEX equipment?
I dont mind sharing mine...uhhmmmm, just listing the str/dex bonuses from my equips.
22dex/22str from ht pendant, 3 str from top, 5 dex from face acc, 15 dex from the bottoms, 6 dex from shoes, 22 dex/16 str from zhelm, i think thats it i guess. 34 base str and 80 base dex, and 82 str(including the 7 str from khanjar, but i dunno if that really counts) and 150 dex with equips.
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - wobbufet - 2008-09-03
DrRusty Wrote:The best build will always be high attack 1st -> low dex 2nd.
Check all of the strongest hermit/NL threads you see in this forum and sleepywood. Are any of them using skandas/musashis?? nope.
Nope, none of them is using a skanda/musashi. Still doesn't prove me wrong, besides you used to be a fandit... you should know how slightly lower attack can still be stronger...
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - DrRusty - 2008-09-03
wobbufet Wrote:Nope, none of them is using a skanda/musashi. Still doesn't prove me wrong, besides you used to be a fandit... you should know how slightly lower attack can still be stronger...
The reason I'm not a fandit anymore is because of how ridiculously strong lowdex/str bandits are. Do you see how much my range went up just by converting? I went from around 3800 max range at 125 i think, to over 4300 range just 8 lvls later.
Dexless sucks period. I'm glad I learned it and became a STR bandit, because (not to toot my own horn) now i'm one of the strongest bandits in GMS.
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - wobbufet - 2008-09-03
Yeah dexless bandits suck after level 100, but hermits don't. The most used lowdex claw is still scarab, which is only 1(!!!) attack higher on avarage then the dexless skanda. 1 Attack loss is certainly worth gaining at least 50 luk ._. And like I said dexless will usually > lowdex IF they both have the same funds.
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - DrRusty - 2008-09-03
wobbufet Wrote:Yeah dexless bandits suck after level 100, but hermits don't. The most used lowdex claw is still scarab, which is only 1(!!!) attack higher on avarage then the dexless skanda. 1 Attack loss is certainly worth gaining at least 50 luk ._. And like I said dexless will usually > lowdex IF they both have the same funds.
Thats why you go craven/dragon sleeve and not scarab.
As you gain lvls and better equips in MS, the gap between dexless and lowdex just keeps increasing. Dexless is stronger at first, but quickly become weaker. The dex from a zakum helmet, HT pendant, dex bottoms, and shoes are nothing you can replace with luk. You can't trade the dex from your pendant + helm into luk, and you can't scroll your shoes and bottoms for luk. Theres so many leftover stats that you can take advantage of to make yourself stronger.
Look at it this way, the lucky 7/ TT formulas rely VERY heavily on attack. More than any other class.
Example.
I have 163 total attack.
A NL with a 60 atk claw + 29 atk c ilbis + 2 atk stompers + 4 atk cape + 14 atk glove = 109 total attack.
109 attack? Thats not much total attack at all. Due to NL's formulas, having anymore attack than that would make them unrealistically strong cough apples cough.
Thats why the most attack will ALWAYS win, and why it should be every sins top priority. Since, every friggin attack point matters.
I would love to see a dexless hermit outdmg FantaTwist with the same amount of mesos spent on equips.
anyways, i'll try to stay on topic
SB damage. I can do up to 3700 but its so rare that i'm not gonna bother tryna get an SS of it.
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Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - wobbufet - 2008-09-03
DrRusty Wrote:Thats why you go craven/dragon sleeve and not scarab.
As you gain lvls and better equips in MS, the gap between dexless and lowdex just keeps increasing. Dexless is stronger at first, but quickly become weaker. The dex from a zakum helmet, HT pendant, dex bottoms, and shoes are nothing you can replace with luk. You can't trade the dex from your pendant + helm into luk, and you can't scroll your shoes and bottoms for luk. Theres so many leftover stats that you can take advantage of to make yourself stronger.
Look at it this way, the lucky 7/ TT formulas rely VERY heavily on attack. More than any other class.
Example.
I have 163 total attack.
A NL with a 60 atk claw + 29 atk c ilbis + 2 atk stompers + 4 atk cape + 14 atk glove = 109 total attack.
109 attack? Thats not much total attack at all. Due to NL's formulas, having anymore attack than that would make them unrealistically strong cough apples cough.
Thats why the most attack will ALWAYS win, and why it should be every sins top priority. Since, every friggin attack point matters.
I would love to see a dexless hermit outdmg FantaTwist with the same amount of mesos spent on equips.
anyways, i'll try to stay on topic
SB damage. I can do up to 3700 but its so rare that i'm not gonna bother tryna get an SS of it.
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Cravens and dragon sleeves are so extremely expensive that it's not even hard to own those while using a dexless claw. I don't like it either but that's simple reality for you. The price of a 55 skanda is about the same as the price of a 60~61 craven for as far as I know. Lets say at level 150, which is a level that most of us will never reach, 1 atk = 8 luk. It isn't hard to get 40 more LUK then a craven user. LUK earrings, LUK cape, LUK overall should be 40. And that's when we're looking at a DEXless craven user >_>
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - butterfλi - 2008-09-03
wobbufet Wrote:Cravens and dragon sleeves are so extremely expensive that it's not even hard to own those while using a dexless claw. I don't like it either but that's simple reality for you. The price of a 55 skanda is about the same as the price of a 60~61 craven for as far as I know. Lets say at level 150, which is a level that most of us will never reach, 1 atk = 8 luk. It isn't hard to get 40 more LUK then a craven user. LUK earrings, LUK cape, LUK overall should be 40. And that's when we're looking at a DEXless craven user >_>
no theyre not. its so much easier to scroll a 60atk scarab than a 60atk skanda. cravens and sleeves are always dropping. skandas stopped. skandas are now either blowing up or being finished up; like maple shields. plus, even with a 50 base dex, 60+ atk craven users are stronger than dexless skanda users... because the skandas are only in the high 40's and low to mid 50's. they cant compare to 60+atk cravens.
you cant compare by mere figures. http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1110031
play with numbers and see for yourself. low dex is usually stronger because when you can no longer squeeze out watk from skandas, you have to look somewhere else for watk.
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - DrRusty - 2008-09-03
wobbufet Wrote:Cravens and dragon sleeves are so extremely expensive that it's not even hard to own those while using a dexless claw. I don't like it either but that's simple reality for you. The price of a 55 skanda is about the same as the price of a 60~61 craven for as far as I know. Lets say at level 150, which is a level that most of us will never reach, 1 atk = 8 luk. It isn't hard to get 40 more LUK then a craven user. LUK earrings, LUK cape, LUK overall should be 40. And that's when we're looking at a DEXless craven user >_>
a 55 attack skanda is NOT the same price as a 60-61 craven. It's not even close.
An avg skanda is 33 attack, so you would need 22 more attack over average to get the 55 atk skanda you're talking about. An avg craven is 46 attack, add 22 attack to that?? 68 attack.......
If any NL in this game wants to trade their 68 attack craven for a 55 atk skanda PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE tell me. Comparing a +22 atk scrolled skanda to a +14 atk scrolled craven is hardly a fair comparison, considering the craven will be much much cheaper.
Yeah, craven's and sleeves are expensive, and skandas aren't? Not to mention craven's and sleeves are constantly being reimbursed into the economy through boss fights.
wobbufet Wrote:Nope, none of them is using a skanda/musashi. Still doesn't prove me wrong, besides you used to be a fandit... you should know how slightly lower attack can still be stronger...
The strongest NLs in the game are NOT using skandas/musashis for a reason. It's not because they're stupid to not go dexless skanda user; it's because they're smart enough not to go dexless skanda user.
The reason a dexless bandit has a better chance to be as strong as a normal bandit is because bandits dont rely as heavily on weapon attack as hermits do. They can have slightly less attack, but make up for it in luck equips. But in the end, they too fall short after they've maxed out the weapon attack they can squeeze from their fan/kebob. The difference in hermits is that their damage formula makes every single attack count.
As i've already said, theres so much to be taken advantage of dexwise, that it doesnt make any sense at all to be dexless. Everything you can scroll for luk, you can scroll for dex too, but the same can't be said vise versa. It will bring up your damage range alot more to give up points in luk, to gain points in attack, rather than give up points in attack, to gain points in luk.
butterfli Wrote:play with numbers and see for yourself. low dex is usually stronger because when you can no longer squeeze out watk from skandas, you have to look somewhere else for watk.
EXACTLY. After you're done getting the best skanda you can.... where are you going to get more weapon attack??? A lowdex hermit can just upgrade to a higher lvl claw.
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - RajPwN - 2008-09-03
wobbufet Wrote:Cravens and dragon sleeves are so extremely expensive that it's not even hard to own those while using a dexless claw. I don't like it either but that's simple reality for you. The price of a 55 skanda is about the same as the price of a 60~61 craven for as far as I know. Lets say at level 150, which is a level that most of us will never reach, 1 atk = 8 luk. It isn't hard to get 40 more LUK then a craven user. LUK earrings, LUK cape, LUK overall should be 40. And that's when we're looking at a DEXless craven user >_>
55 Skandas are about 900-1 bil in Scania. You can get a 62 attack Craven for 900-1bil easily. Like butterfli said: Go play with the numbers and calculate. Like DrRusty said: attack > LUK. The extra LUK from bottom, HT Pendant, and Zhelm (can be scrolled with DEX too) will make low DEX stronger than Dexless. Show me a Hermit that is stronger than me, with the same amount of funding. At lower levels, Dexless outdamage low DEX but not after level 100+ (Cravens). Skandas are slowly disappearing..
Btw thanks Fanta.
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - I0ny - 2008-09-04
RajPwN Wrote:55 Skandas are about 900-1 bil in Scania. You can get a 62 attack Craven for 900-1bil easily. Like butterfli said: Go play with the numbers and calculate. Like DrRusty said: attack > LUK. The extra LUK from bottom, HT Pendant, and Zhelm (can be scrolled with DEX too) will make low DEX stronger than Dexless. Show me a Hermit that is stronger than me, with the same amount of funding. At lower levels, Dexless outdamage low DEX but not after level 100+ (Cravens). Skandas are slowly disappearing..
Btw thanks Fanta.
What's your exact amount of funding? I can have a try on it
Southperry's own Thief Flaunting thread =D - RajPwN - 2008-09-04
I0ny Wrote:What's your exact amount of funding? I can have a try on it
I'll do it for you..
Clean 15/15/15/16 Zhelm- I bought it for 75 mil in Khaini but Zhelms are 40-60 mil now.
61 att 3 luk Green Scarab- 1.3B?
15 attack StormCaster Gloves- 800 mil
7 DEX Branch Nose- Around 200 mil? A bit more maybe?
12 DEX earrings- 150 mil
17 LUK 2 DEX Red China Top- 120 mil
16 DEX 1 LUK lv 25 thief pants- 200-250 mil
4 attack 4 LUK PAC- 150 mil
4 DEX Facestompers- 210 mil
Silver Deputy Pendant- 100 mil
Since I'm in Bellocan, I'll add up the Bellocan prices..
60mil + 1,300 mil + 800 mil + 200 mil + 150 mil + 120 mil + 200 mil + 150 mil + 210 mil + 100 mil = 3230 mil.. So that's around 3B since my prices might be a bit off.
15/15/15/16 Zhelm- 60 mil
56 attack 8 LUK Skanda- 1.2-1.4B?
15 attack SCGs- 800 mil
12 LUK Earrings- 250 mil?
25 LUK Sauna- 300-400 mil
4 attack 6 LUK PAC- 250 mil
Clean Facestompers- 190 mil?
Silver Deputy Pendant- 100 mil
60 + 1300 + 800 + 250 + 350 + 250 + 190 + 100 = 3300
Okay now let's say that both Hermits have 500 LUK. The DEXless obviously has 25 base DEX, and the low DEX Hermit has 51 base DEX.
Low DEX Hermit's stats:51 base DEX + 66 = 117
500 base LUK + 46 = 546
4 base STR + 20 = 24
4 base INT + 20 = 24
Total w.atk = 111 (61 + 15 + 4 + 2 + 29 (c.ilbis))
Using the damage calculator on hidden-street,
Minimum Damage: 1334
Maximum Damage: 2338
DEXless Hermit's stats:
25 base DEX + 20 = 45
500 base LUK + 68 = 568
4 base STR + 20 = 24
4 base INT + 20 = 24
Total w.atk = 106 (56 + 15 + 4 + 2 + 29 (c.ilbis))
Using the damage calculator on hidden-street,
Minimum Damage: 1243
Maximum Damage: 2240
Correct me if I made any errors please. That proves that Low DEX with ~3.2B funding is stronger than a DEXless with 3.3B funding. Look at the clean Zhelm + no HT Pendant. If they both had about 500 mil to buy a HT Pendant, and 200 mil to scroll their Zhelms to 27+ DEX, the low DEX would obviously be stronger since he can switch to a 64 Craven (since it's about the same price as the 61/3 LUK Scarab).
I actually have a 60/3 LUK Scarab instead of a 61/3, and a 4/6 LUK PAC instead of a 4/4. I made those changes because a 4/4 LUK PAC is 100 mil less than a 4/6. I could use that 100 mil to upgrade my claw. There are many equip combinations that will change the results so I guess my calculations don't prove too much.