xBTAx Wrote:I'm a level 57 slinger with less than 20mil. I've probably done all the quests that give rewards like that. I have barely enough NX for a 1 week store, and I'm not using that till we get maker because I have 100 diamonds to sell.

But that's not why I'm complaining.

I'm complaining because people who already had hundreds of billions of mesos decided to make more in a way that rips off players in every server in the game.

LeJoueur Wrote:worse thing could have happen, and i'm surprised it has not happen yet: people generating max meso by the whole FM and delete their char rinse repeat : that's what i would have called real chaos

Milelke Wrote:Thats not chaos, that would be crashing the maple economy.

iCollect Wrote:I only started talking when someone told me my guild was mentioned in this thread. I looked at it and simply wanted to clarify some misgivings people seemed to feel towards us. ;P
Now to the "what's the point" question... the point of any game is to of course have fun. If you feel you're working in a game, you should quit the game. So I would vouch that anyone that's having fun "taking advantage" of the the economy probably has that as their point in playing this game. Speaking from my experience I can tell you that once you reach a certain point in this game, you stop caring about mesos at all and pretty much only play it for the fun of collaboration with friends and joking around in game. So, to that effect, no matter how much this game inflates, some people simply don't care as long as they can continue doing what they do and have their laughs. The point isn't always in the end product and is sometimes just the process itself. =P

As for losing real money... let's say merchants only made 15b from investing 5b, as per my previous example. Let's say they sell these mesos at current meso selling prices. Let's calculate that. $6 = 100mil $60= 1b $600=10b $1200 = 20b A merchant that has 20b would still make away with $1200 clean if he simply sold what he earned. =P


Just a note, all godly items that exceed 2.147b are traded in two methods.
1) mesos + items that have a certain worth. i.e. 21 atk for 20atk +items/mesos
2) mts.

That being said, the apocalypse isn't quite here yet, so don't fret. =)

@ most posters in these last two pages: yay, a semi-intelligent conversation!

iCollect Wrote:I dont recall ever denying it or ever attempted to justify that particular issue. i only responded to what was said. that being said, am i doomed to be ostracized now because i enjoy reading thoughtful responses as opposed to "haha, you're wrong. i'm right! TALK TO THE HAND!!

oh dear me, and here i thought Southperry might have been a little better than basil with criticism.

iCollect Wrote:*EDIT*
my bad i forgot to say
"lol hapy mapling!!11."

iCollect Wrote:I merchant for fun, I don't care about mesos, lmao. I think I already said this before.

Taliant Wrote:Besides not eating into the inflated items at hand, only other solution I can see to this is... a hopeless attempt to spam Nexon about these sites and see if they can either shut them down or interupt their trades (such as the ideas Collect mentioned).

Course, I really doubt that'll happen. I plan to wait this out, I never really bought much from the market to begin with.

iCollect Wrote:I, along with a few friends and other merchants, effectively bought out the entire FM of GFA in ALL servers. This is not impossible when you're rolling in tens to hundreds of billions of mesos in pure in each server (all legit, I assure you).

ItzTaylor Wrote:This thread is so pointless it's not even funny.

alwzn4vr Wrote:1. How is inflation ever "natural"?
2. What law in the real world are you referring to that says causing inflation is illegal?
3. why oh why would you say that? He's bought out the FM at 5 mil and is now selling at 20 mil. No need to survive if he's making a good profit. The real danger is hyperinflation due to duped gold/items.

BTW, your free market economy example of land labor and capital is based on physical scarcity. In game economies are not always restricted in that way, particularly when events such as gold/item duping occur. (Try duping a piece of land or cloning a factory worker)

Cactuar Wrote:It'd be more of a "reduced to the barter system" thing than anything else.

MasPan Wrote:I never said you cared about the mesos - you were remarking that a lot of people were insulting you or didn't like you, and I offered a solution to that problem.

Quote:It's just sad that people will willingly make life harder for others...

Quote:Thanks, I figured packet editing would be the most likely way to do this. As I said before, the fact that mesos are impossible to uniquely identify without crushing the back end database server.

Quote:None of the posts were directed toward you. The one talking about the guild was to explain the glove attk price increase. Not to bash, just to inform.

The posts were directed to everyone in general.

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Quote:Maple is going to pomegranate now, you might as well quit and play a new game.

No matter how hard you try to be the best, there will always be someone better.

It's all a status ****fest. Usually the people who actually have something to brag about don't go on a public forum and start talking about it.

All I am saying-

If there is a Meso Exploit out, and those people with the exploit are selling to these sites and getting real $, and the sites are making 100mil worth lunch money, what is the point of even trying to "take advantage" of the economy. There is no point in trying to make billions of mesos, when none of it will be worth pomegranate anyways. Everyone will have godly equips, no one will have anything to brag about on the forum, and then all your e-penors will eventually shrink and you will have nothing to talk about. So then Maple will die, and you will leave the game $1000 poorer from all the NX u spent.

@iCollect you completely missed the whole point of what I was saying.
and after hearing you talk about the meso exploit, I don't think it's real anymore.

The real reason I think meso prices are so low is because the gold farmers have to compete with eachother. If one goes low, they all do.

As for the amount of mesos being tossed around- they have probably already been there, just sitting on characters waiting to be sold. Now they are in buyer and sellers hands.

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Quote:It's kind of hard for people to respect you when a good majority of the people here aren't merchents and therefore cannot afford many of the now-inflated scrolls. Since you are playing the market and admited (If I read your first post correctly.) to inflating scrolls on all servers I don't see why you would expect people here to treat you nicely. The smug snake attitude you've got doesn't help either.

Then again, it could be worse. Some forums have staff that would have made up some inane excuse to warn/ban you by now and/or closed the topic all together.

Quote:Good show.

Quote:Oh, good. You should have no problem sending me 1b so I can afford things then, right?

Quote:Whether or not there will be a limit to this, I do not know. If there's a deadline to haul as much money as possible before they all get put into jail, I presume they will not give a damn to Maple economy. If, however, they can take their time and optimize the situation for their gain, I hope they know what they're doing and not bring the economy down in a week.

Bucket Wrote:I will give you two goats and my wife for your cow.

Sn1perJohnE Wrote:no no no, my friend, eh, it is 3 goats, eh, a dozen eggs, and eh, your virgin daughter for sie cow, no?

Bucket Wrote:I will give you two goats and my wife for your cow.

madanthony Wrote:But it got to be so much fun when the conversation turned to the grand nature of Maplenomics and sociology.

Sn1perJohnE Wrote:1. Fluctuation in prices are natural, based on the overall supply, along with the overall demand. When there is high supply with a neutral demand, prices tend to stay lower in order to off load backed up items. When demand is high demand with a neutral supply, prices tend to be higher, as there is more people out buying this one item. The prices for gasoline can be considered as an example here. When theres the consensus that the supply is high, prices will usually tend to be cheaper, where as when there is a consensus that the supply is low, prices tend to be higher. Gold market is also highly volatile to supply. When theres even a slightly large amount of new gold introduced, prices can drop easily.

In short, supply and demand fuel natural inflation and deflation. Since we didnt have a sudden drop in the supply of Glove ATT 60% scrolls, or even a sudden rush of people looking to buy them, artificial inflation has occured.

[COLOR="Blue"]The definition of artificial here is where things get dicey IMHO. There was a sudden drop in supply of GFA60% as they were being temporarily removed by the merchants.
In addition to the removal of supply there was an increased demand due to people wanting to scroll the new agent gloves. Sooo, which is more artificial to you, the merchants increasing the scarcity of a supply to make more currency or Nexon arbitrarily adding more demand by introducing new gear that requires scrolling?

Remember when the NLC glove scroll quest came out and GFA60% prices dropped like a rock? Was that 'natural' because Nexon decided to add this quest? It sure was a sudden increase in supply with a neutral demand since there wasn't anything more to scroll. It also dropped the price of 8,9,10 atk gloves as a result.

The merchants figured that due to the hard to get nature of a 3 atk 4 slot glove that 60% non breakable would be the preferred target for scrollers. [/COLOR]

2. Its called price fixing, google it and youll most likely come across stories on Samsung price fixing their flash memory modules, and another from either nVidia or ATI/AMD fixing the price on their GPUs.

[COLOR="Blue"]Price fixing in the real world requires collusion on the part of the suppliers. There are real world laws against it. Samsung paid $300 million in real life dollars.

Price fixing or temporary price manipulation in a virtual world is not against the rules. At least not in maple. Many people may find it apprehensible as it affect their gameplay but i'm not aware of any Nexon rule against it. [/COLOR]

3. He said he was preparing for the inflation, not in those exact words, but its what he said. And to prepare for it, he essentially created the inflation in the process.

Considering iCollect by his own admission manipulated the price of a single scroll type, he didn't create overall inflation. He undoubtely contributed to it to some degree. I don't know how many GFA 60% scrolls are in the maple economy at any given time, so it's hard to say what the overall inflationary contribution from this price manipulation scheme was.


And to the last bit, you technically can clone the Land and Labor portion in a game like Maple. Just create a new character and/or account. When one merchant-used character is full of items to sell, set their items up in a mushroom shop and continue onto another character, rinse and repeat. You could essentially fill a whole FM room up with your own shops.

I was referring to your use of real world examples. You cannot clone real world items. Cloning or duping has cause more than one on-line game's economy to be destroyed. That's impossible in the real world.

Cactuar Wrote:Two goats and your wife for my cow?! That's outrageous! My cow is worth AT LEAST your first born and 1 hen.

In all seriousness, I should probably start merchantmen on the off chance that I decide play MS again. Take advantage of the prices and whatnot.