• meowmixx - Is pretty inactive. Even before they had their Internet issues they've brought up in the Discussion thread. I'm not going to push this until tomorrow, because it's unfair to do so when they've confirmed they will not be able to participate due to said issues, however I do want to see more activity from them. I always find it fishy when they upvote people but don't say a thing in the game.
  
• Razmos - Even though I'm pretty sure I know what power they have, it's a power that can go either way. Right now I'll let it slide but they need to contribute more and be less suspicious overall.
  
• Hypermug - Offered to intentionally cause a tie, which is pretty unhelpful to town to confirm a pretty mundane role. Double Voting can be powerful in a tight situation, it's true, but in comparison to the other roles around it's not that big of a deal and the role was pretty much confirmed by the fact that no one came forward to dispute that claim. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are mafia, but it just seemed pretty unnecessary and definitely would have helped the mafia if done.
  
• CakesXD - Overly inactive. I haven't really seen anything of value from them, and it's now Day 3. I don't think Kyrastri's vote against them should be considered anything except Kyrastri trying to get heat off of herself. I wouldn't consider them clear just because Kyrastri voted for them, just seemed like the safest vote for her given the situation.
  
• Polantaris - I be town, yarr.
  
• LuvDWayULie - Everything but confirmed the double voter. Most likely a town ability, but definitely not guaranteed. The tie causing vote on Day 1 could potentially have been an accident, but I still have suspicions that it was an attempt to snap lynch me that failed. The fact that I brought this thought up on Day 2 and it was ignored by Luv (that I remember) doesn't help my suspicion towards this.
  
• Holypie - Probably dead, unless we get the arsonist. Seems pretty helpful to town. This is one person I'm fairly confident is town, which is a shame considering their situation.
  
• MasPan - During Day 2, I got the feeling that they might have not really been paying attention to much. They pointed out that they've been working on essays, so I can certainly understand their situation. Out of everyone, I somehow get the vibe that they may be out for themselves more than anyone else. I don't really know why, and I can't really support that claim too much, but I definitely am wary of them.
  
• ChaoticCJ - Seems to be playing as they normally do. When they show up, they post some useful information, then pop away for a bit. Brought up the majority of the arsonist claim first, and ended up being mostly right. I wouldn't be surprised if they were town.
  

Polantaris Wrote:I feel really limited here. Maybe I'm just exhausted from extra hours at work recently, but I can't seem to get a good grasp on anything going on here to be able to make a very useful post like I normally would be able to at this point. But, I shall try...

Shidoshi's death was very obviously the arsonist. Which leads me to believe that Holypie is probably already dead, just not until tomorrow at some point, unless we successfully lynch the arsonist today. I think it's imperative that we try to determine who the arsonist is, but really I haven't seen any clues to determine who that is. I doubt they are mafia aligned, because that seems like way too much killing power in the mafia's hands. They are most likely a neutral or a vigilante-type player, however I'm heavily leaning towards the former. I'm not sure what their wincon would be...burn everyone? I guess that's a possibility. Considering Shidoshi's death did not include Holypie, even though he was doused, leads me to believe that they can kill either one doused victim a day, or anyone who has been doused for more than one day, something like that, and they can trigger the kill at any point during the day. I'm interested to find out why they waited to kill Shidoshi (unless it can't be done during the night, but that seems weird), but I doubt we'll ever know really.

As for Razmos, I will back off of them. I have a pretty good idea of what ability they have, however I won't reveal my thoughts in that area in hopes of putting less attention on them than they've put on themselves (although, saying this is probably a bad idea in itself, and most likely counter-productive, sorry Razmos).

I'm going to do an ole go-over-the-player-list, in an effort to be more transparent because I know I haven't been as active as I normally would be and would like to be.

• meowmixx - Is pretty inactive. Even before they had their Internet issues they've brought up in the Discussion thread. I'm not going to push this until tomorrow, because it's unfair to do so when they've confirmed they will not be able to participate due to said issues, however I do want to see more activity from them. I always find it fishy when they upvote people but don't say a thing in the game.
  
• Razmos - Even though I'm pretty sure I know what power they have, it's a power that can go either way. Right now I'll let it slide but they need to contribute more and be less suspicious overall.
  
• Hypermug - Offered to intentionally cause a tie, which is pretty unhelpful to town to confirm a pretty mundane role. Double Voting can be powerful in a tight situation, it's true, but in comparison to the other roles around it's not that big of a deal and the role was pretty much confirmed by the fact that no one came forward to dispute that claim. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are mafia, but it just seemed pretty unnecessary and definitely would have helped the mafia if done.
  
• CakesXD - Overly inactive. I haven't really seen anything of value from them, and it's now Day 3. I don't think Kyrastri's vote against them should be considered anything except Kyrastri trying to get heat off of herself. I wouldn't consider them clear just because Kyrastri voted for them, just seemed like the safest vote for her given the situation.
  
• Polantaris - I be town, yarr.
  
• LuvDWayULie - Everything but confirmed the double voter. Most likely a town ability, but definitely not guaranteed. The tie causing vote on Day 1 could potentially have been an accident, but I still have suspicions that it was an attempt to snap lynch me that failed. The fact that I brought this thought up on Day 2 and it was ignored by Luv (that I remember) doesn't help my suspicion towards this.
  
• Holypie - Probably dead, unless we get the arsonist. Seems pretty helpful to town. This is one person I'm fairly confident is town, which is a shame considering their situation.
  
• MasPan - During Day 2, I got the feeling that they might have not really been paying attention to much. They pointed out that they've been working on essays, so I can certainly understand their situation. Out of everyone, I somehow get the vibe that they may be out for themselves more than anyone else. I don't really know why, and I can't really support that claim too much, but I definitely am wary of them.
  
• ChaoticCJ - Seems to be playing as they normally do. When they show up, they post some useful information, then pop away for a bit. Brought up the majority of the arsonist claim first, and ended up being mostly right. I wouldn't be surprised if they were town.
  

Unfortunately, I can't really see who would be the arsonist at this point. MasPan is the most likely neutral, but they were also distracted by real life issues so I'm not even remotely confident that they are. I can't, in all fairness, vote on someone over real life issues considering the last two weeks I myself have been working extra hours and am exhausted as well, so I certainly understand their dilemma in regards to the game. I'm going to have to think on everything a little more. I'll probably spend some time tomorrow morning reviewing the thread and try to find inaccuracies/problems.

MasPan Wrote:[COLOR="#cc8899"]

I think the most likely explanation is that VerrKol doused Razmos and the arsonist primed Shidoshi - double priming seems really powerful and unlikely. I'm suspicious as to why Razmos; would make up flavor only to recant it the next day, particularly when the only thing it accomplished was to add confusion regarding the arsonist. The repeated insistence by Razmos that he has a power role is also bugging me - it could be a newbie mistake, but it seems more like one of the following:
1) Razmos is a mafian and trying to breadcrumb against a potential lynch or lure out the real roles
2) Razmos is a townie and trying to give the mafia a false target
3) Razmos is a townie with a power and just being particularly open about it

As a final note, it looks like VerrKol died by "attacking" the wrong target - it would explain why nobody has come forward to claim being splashed, since they would be the most likely suspect for his death. He died "in a puddle of water" with a smashed pot nearby. Maybe the person he splashed is homicidal, a vigilante of sorts?

Niernen's death, in that case, would be caused by the mafia, but I can't figure out why they would target him - he specifically had removed his vote and didn't actively contribute for most of the game. It's weird, but it's enough to have me question my vote on Razmos. [/COLOR]

Holypie Wrote:Yeah I'm leaning towards option 3, he was on the verge of being lynched and it's a fairly common knee jerk new player reaction to just say like, don't lynch me I'm helpful. Also, I got strong smelling liquid poured on me while I was sleeping, but that's not splashing so it might be something different. I know for sure that I couldn't have killed VerrKol though. It kind of sucks to know that I'm a dead man walking.

Even with your real life busyness, Mas, I still think you're being pretty shady. You're dumping suspicion on Razmos and I'm pretty sure you're the one who started the wagon (can't check, on mobile), since he would be an easy target based on the first day. Whether you're mafia or neutral, I think you're bad news. [Vote] MasPan

MasPan Wrote:[COLOR="#cc8899"]I'm not dumping suspicion on Razmos, I'm pulling back from it. If I wholesale said "I no longer suspect Razmos" I'd be torn apart for suddenly changing my mind, so I was trying to voice as many of my doubts as possible. I started the wagon on Razmos because of his really crappy reasoning for trying to start a lynch and kept pushing it because of his reactions. I honestly didn't know he was a knew player to mafia until someone pointed that out in his defense.

Did you not even notice that unlike the previous days, I haven't even voted yet? [/COLOR]

Holypie Wrote:Pulling back from it by saying that he's a potential mafioso? And yes I have noticed, because I'm pretty sure that mine was the first vote. We no longer have Shidoshi with us to get things rolling, I thought that I might give it a shot.

Polantaris Wrote:I feel really limited here. Maybe I'm just exhausted from extra hours at work recently, but I can't seem to get a good grasp on anything going on here to be able to make a very useful post like I normally would be able to at this point. But, I shall try...

Shidoshi's death was very obviously the arsonist. Which leads me to believe that Holypie is probably already dead, just not until tomorrow at some point, unless we successfully lynch the arsonist today. I think it's imperative that we try to determine who the arsonist is, but really I haven't seen any clues to determine who that is. I doubt they are mafia aligned, because that seems like way too much killing power in the mafia's hands. They are most likely a neutral or a vigilante-type player, however I'm heavily leaning towards the former. I'm not sure what their wincon would be...burn everyone? I guess that's a possibility. Considering Shidoshi's death did not include Holypie, even though he was doused, leads me to believe that they can kill either one doused victim a day, or anyone who has been doused for more than one day, something like that, and they can trigger the kill at any point during the day. I'm interested to find out why they waited to kill Shidoshi (unless it can't be done during the night, but that seems weird), but I doubt we'll ever know really.

As for Razmos, I will back off of them. I have a pretty good idea of what ability they have, however I won't reveal my thoughts in that area in hopes of putting less attention on them than they've put on themselves (although, saying this is probably a bad idea in itself, and most likely counter-productive, sorry Razmos).

I'm going to do an ole go-over-the-player-list, in an effort to be more transparent because I know I haven't been as active as I normally would be and would like to be.

• meowmixx - Is pretty inactive. Even before they had their Internet issues they've brought up in the Discussion thread. I'm not going to push this until tomorrow, because it's unfair to do so when they've confirmed they will not be able to participate due to said issues, however I do want to see more activity from them. I always find it fishy when they upvote people but don't say a thing in the game.
  
• Razmos - Even though I'm pretty sure I know what power they have, it's a power that can go either way. Right now I'll let it slide but they need to contribute more and be less suspicious overall.
  
• Hypermug - Offered to intentionally cause a tie, which is pretty unhelpful to town to confirm a pretty mundane role. Double Voting can be powerful in a tight situation, it's true, but in comparison to the other roles around it's not that big of a deal and the role was pretty much confirmed by the fact that no one came forward to dispute that claim. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are mafia, but it just seemed pretty unnecessary and definitely would have helped the mafia if done.
  
• CakesXD - Overly inactive. I haven't really seen anything of value from them, and it's now Day 3. I don't think Kyrastri's vote against them should be considered anything except Kyrastri trying to get heat off of herself. I wouldn't consider them clear just because Kyrastri voted for them, just seemed like the safest vote for her given the situation.
  
• Polantaris - I be town, yarr.
  
• LuvDWayULie - Everything but confirmed the double voter. Most likely a town ability, but definitely not guaranteed. The tie causing vote on Day 1 could potentially have been an accident, but I still have suspicions that it was an attempt to snap lynch me that failed. The fact that I brought this thought up on Day 2 and it was ignored by Luv (that I remember) doesn't help my suspicion towards this.
  
• Holypie - Probably dead, unless we get the arsonist. Seems pretty helpful to town. This is one person I'm fairly confident is town, which is a shame considering their situation.
  
• MasPan - During Day 2, I got the feeling that they might have not really been paying attention to much. They pointed out that they've been working on essays, so I can certainly understand their situation. Out of everyone, I somehow get the vibe that they may be out for themselves more than anyone else. I don't really know why, and I can't really support that claim too much, but I definitely am wary of them.
  
• ChaoticCJ - Seems to be playing as they normally do. When they show up, they post some useful information, then pop away for a bit. Brought up the majority of the arsonist claim first, and ended up being mostly right. I wouldn't be surprised if they were town.
  

Unfortunately, I can't really see who would be the arsonist at this point. MasPan is the most likely neutral, but they were also distracted by real life issues so I'm not even remotely confident that they are. I can't, in all fairness, vote on someone over real life issues considering the last two weeks I myself have been working extra hours and am exhausted as well, so I certainly understand their dilemma in regards to the game. I'm going to have to think on everything a little more. I'll probably spend some time tomorrow morning reviewing the thread and try to find inaccuracies/problems.

Holypie Wrote:Seriously guys? He just got a job! You're after someone with internet problems and a new job, BOTH for inactivity, over a legitimate lynch. I'm done with the town, I just hope that tomorrow after lynching Mas you'll be able to survive the arsonist and the rest of the mafia.

Razmos Wrote:I didn't realize that either. I'll keep my vote for now because I still find the way he talks to be suspicious at the very least, but i'll be willing to change it if something else were to come up.

Hypermug Wrote:I dislike the negative emphasis you placed on my offer to tie, but I understand now that's just part of the game.

To add a small tidbit to your list, Cakes has claimed to have no power.

I also went back and re-read ChaoticCJ's post. I agree he is playing per usual (I know, I don't have that much experience :p), but I disagree with you saying he was "mostly right" in his claims. He claimed it was Verrkol at first who was the arsonist, who we know now is not. Secondly, he ended up being incorrect about Razmos' ability causing him to get doused too (we all were, due to Razmos admitting he was adding flavour). I think overall he has been extremely helpful, but due to what I just mentioned, I feel he should not be completely labeled safe. We still don't know his role (if he has one) yet as well. Are my timelines right here? D:

LuvDWayULie Wrote:I've already asked how do you want me to prove in like Day 2, Polantaris.

For a kazillionth time, it was an accident in Day 1. I didn't read the rules properly (I guess nearly everyone didn't), and I wanted someone different than Ramzos as I thought Ramzos would not be a mafioso.

Please show me what you brought up in Day 2. I might have missed it and as I said in the previous Day, I wasn't reading things ENTIRELY.

LuvDWayULie Wrote:[Vote] CakesXD
Kyra might have bussed Cakes in Day 2. And as far as I remembered, Cakes didn't post much in Days 1 and 2 as well. I'm agreeing with HyperMug in this. Also in the list of my suspicions are MasPan, Holypie and Polantaris. The first two are suspects because one pushes one another, and I don't know who to believe (allhough Mas is not voting for Holypie, he still does look fishy to me). Polantaris, until now, has not been as argumentative as compared to previous games (Shizz, metagaming), and it is a part of my gut feeling as well.

I guess you can always try to make it a tie (2 people to 2 people) and see if anyone gets lynched. If someone does, it means that I'm right. If someone doesn't die, it means that I'm lying and you can always kill me the next day.

Holypie Wrote:I'm a dead man walking, subtlety be damned. Kill MasPan today, or you're going to be killing him tomorrow after I die. It wasn't Shidoshi who started the Kyrastri lynch vote, by the way. Stupid arsonist, I was doing so well.

Hypermug Wrote:I agree he is playing per usual (I know, I don't have that much experience :p), but I disagree with you saying he was "mostly right" in his claims. He claimed it was Verrkol at first who was the arsonist, who we know now is not. Secondly, he ended up being incorrect about Razmos' ability causing him to get doused too (we all were, due to Razmos admitting he was adding flavour). I think overall he has been extremely helpful, but due to what I just mentioned, I feel he should not be completely labeled safe. We still don't know his role (if he has one) yet as well. Are my timelines right here? D:

LuvDWayULie Wrote:And @MasPan;, isn't it really unfair to vote for meow when she can't really defend herself as her internet connection broke down? I'm judging you in this, really.