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4th job Single Target DPS - Kevvl - 2009-06-08
Hey, just noticed.
When you tick Concentrate, the Marksman's DPS goes up.
4th job Single Target DPS - ShadyPriest - 2009-06-11
Dusk Wrote:Last updated: December 25, 2008
Shouldn't the "update date" be updated?
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2009-06-11
Kevvl Wrote:Hey, just noticed.
When you tick Concentrate, the Marksman's DPS goes up.
Ah, that happened when I was adding in the attack arrows for archers and then taking them out. I just copied the Bowmaster cell to the Marksman cell because they're the same when you don't count Concentrate. I'll fix it.
ShadyPriest Wrote:Shouldn't the "update date" be updated?
Haha, the whole thread is massively outdated, the only thing that's still relevant is the spreadsheet itself and the text information. I got tired of uploading screenshots and changing the data table.
4th job Single Target DPS - Russt - 2009-06-11
Just realized you updated on Christmas day.
No merrymaking? ^^
4th job Single Target DPS - ShadyPriest - 2009-06-11
Just happened to find out that editing the magic column is locked, for both attack bonus and boss defence.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2009-06-14
Hey just out of curiosity, does SE increase 40% cric dmg and 15% change for NL. Or is it 140% and 15% chance?
4th job Single Target DPS - KaidaTan - 2009-06-14
tamillan Wrote:hey just out of curiosity, does se increase 40% cric dmg and 15% change for nl. Or is it 140% and 15% chance?
+140%
4th job Single Target DPS - Stereo - 2009-06-14
100%->240%, 50%->65%.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2009-06-14
Russt Wrote:Just realized you updated on Christmas day.
No merrymaking? ^^
Uploaded at 3 in the morning or something, woke up after 12 and celebrated. Weird sleep schedule lol.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2009-06-14
Stereo Wrote:100%->240%, 50%->65%.
Nah its wrong.
I might be wrong but looking at dusk's spreadsheet.
It seems NL get 106% extra boost.
So instead of 200% it is 306% with 65% chance of working.
Proof is my NL does 11k dmg max without se. With SE when critical works it does about 17k max. Instead of 200% critical which is 11k dmg it does 306% critical which is 17k dmg. Makes perfect sense to me. I might be wrong, but thats my understand. If there is a deeper story to this, please let me know.
If it was 340% then i should be doing close to 19k which is definetely not wat i do.
If it was 240% i should do about 13.2k max. However i do more like 17k. So it seems 306% total is right which is a boost of 106% with 65% total chance of working.
4th job Single Target DPS - Stereo - 2009-06-14
2.4*0.65 = 1.56
150% (TT) + 156% (crit) = 306%. It's an average, no chance of working.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2009-06-14
This is exactly why people always overestimate how much damage NLs do. They only look at crits. If Player A's max damage is 10k and Player B's max damage is 10k, but Player A doesn't crit, guess which one's going to do more damage (provided Player B doesn't have a 100% crit rate lol).
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2009-06-14
Stereo Wrote:2.4*0.65 = 1.56
150% (TT) + 156% (crit) = 306%. It's an average, no chance of working.
I don't think thats correct because my non critical damages remain same. Only the critical dmg increased.
Dusk Wrote:This is exactly why people always overestimate how much damage NLs do. They only look at crits. If Player A's max damage is 10k and Player B's max damage is 10k, but Player A doesn't crit, guess which one's going to do more damage (provided Player B doesn't have a 100% crit rate lol).
No i did 17k on 1 star and 11k on one star without se. Both were critical.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2009-06-14
Yeah, because like I said, you're only looking at criticals. An SE'd crit does 390%. A non SE'd crit does 250%. Your non-crits are still going to be hitting 150% no matter what. Average damage goes up to 306% because the crits pull it up. If you hit no crits SE isn't going to do anything.
Edit: What I'm saying is, you never actually hit 306%. The 306% damage does not exst. It's just a number created by the weighted average of two numbers, which are your crits and non-crits. Without SE your crits are a lot lower, so the average goes down to 200%.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2009-06-15
Dusk Wrote:Yeah, because like I said, you're only looking at criticals. An SE'd crit does 390%. A non SE'd crit does 250%. Your non-crits are still going to be hitting 150% no matter what. Average damage goes up to 306% because the crits pull it up. If you hit no crits SE isn't going to do anything.
A non SE'd crit does 250? Shouldn't it do 300? 150*2=300
Sorry man, but im very lost....
Also your barrage on your spreadsheet says 10 hits instead of 6 hits. Mistake?
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2009-06-15
Tamillan Wrote:A non SE'd crit does 250? Shouldn't it do 300? 150*2=300
Sorry man, but im very lost....
Also your barrage on your spreadsheet says 10 hits instead of 6 hits. Mistake?
Critical damage is additive. 150 + 100(critical stars) = 250.
SE makes it 150 + 100(critical stars) + 100(SE base bonus) + 40(Max level SE bonus) = 390.
Barrage hits 10 times the damage of the stated value. Nothing wrong with that unless you run into the 199,999 damage cap.
4th job Single Target DPS - Loose - 2009-06-15
Tamillan Wrote:Also your barrage on your spreadsheet says 10 hits instead of 6 hits. Mistake?Barrage does:
- 1x on the first hit.
- 1x on the second hit.
- 1x on the third hit.
- 1x on the fourth hit.
- 2x on the fifth hit.
- 4x on the last hit.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2009-06-15
Loose Wrote:Barrage does:
- 1x on the first hit.
- 1x on the second hit.
- 1x on the third hit.
- 1x on the fourth hit.
- 2x on the fifth hit.
- 4x on the last hit.
Wow nice....interesting news....
Dusk Wrote:Critical damage is additive. 150 + 100(critical stars) = 250.
SE makes it 150 + 100(critical stars) + 100(SE base bonus) + 40(Max level SE bonus) = 390.
Barrage hits 10 times the damage of the stated value. Nothing wrong with that unless you run into the 199,999 damage cap.
Wow I get it now. Thanks a lot man.
Also the 15% chance thing. what does that do to the critical dmg.
4th job Single Target DPS - Devil - 2009-06-15
Tamillan Wrote:Wow nice....interesting news....Sharp Eyes adds 15% chance to critical rate.
Wow I get it now. Thanks a lot man.
Also the 15% chance thing. what does that do to the critical dmg.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2009-06-15
Devil Wrote:Sharp Eyes adds 15% chance to critical rate.
Ah k. Thx. So basically when a NL does not have SE.
50% chance of hitting 250%
50% chance of hitting 150%
Average=200%
With SE
65% chance of hitting 390%
35% chance of hitting 150%
Average=306%