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Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - iVege - 2013-06-19
CrazyForDex Wrote:pineappleed over again I see. What else is new?
It's more Marksmen getting an amazing buff (which is somewhat likely to be reverted next patch) than Bowmasters being shafted. It's a substantial improvement from last patch, and they still end up with more power than some other revamped Explorers (and non-Explorers). For a better comparison, they're stronger than pre-RED Marksmen! Until Hurricane's static speed holds it back, anyway (likewise though, Marksmen have their naturally high critical rate). Plus, they still have their new superb mobility and decent survivability skills. I'd say you ended up better than some other Explorers + got better changes.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Takebacker - 2013-06-19
Yeah there's no way snipe+hyper+additional bolt is intended. No other skills in the entire game let you triple the damage you do per attack on a skill like snipe...
Can we get tables for 1 hit snipe w/ hypers? Maybe it makes more sense that way.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - TugboatWilly - 2013-06-19
Marksman Bryan Wrote:nevervictory is ours
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Bomber - 2013-06-19
CrazyForDex Wrote:pineappleed over again I see. What else is new?
How are bowmasters being pineappleed over?
If we're talking about marksman fucking over bowmasters, marksman are fucking over everyone.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Eyon - 2013-06-19
So where puts that bowmasters into the summarized % list? Also how did you calculate the % this time?
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - VerrKol - 2013-06-19
[MENTION=535]JoeTang[/MENTION]; What method are you using for single targets?
Is it Blaster in turret mode + Fire Hurricane?
How does Blaster turret work with AFA + Magic Arrows?
From videos it appears that Blaster turret does not proc Magic Arrows and I can't tell about AFA.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2013-06-19
VerrKol Wrote:[MENTION=535]JoeTang[/MENTION]; What method are you using for single targets?
Is it Blaster in turret mode + Fire Hurricane?
How does Blaster turret work with AFA + Magic Arrows?
From videos it appears that Blaster turret does not proc Magic Arrows and I can't tell about AFA.
I assume Arrow Platter doesn't activate Quiver Cartridge or Advanced Final Attack.
Marksmen use Pierce as their primary attack pre-hyper, with Snipe whenever it comes off cooldown. There was a bug with the m/s in the previous table, this is fixed. %/s remains the same.
Here's Marksmen without Snipe - Bonus Attack.
Marksman:
Spoiler
Hyper
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - iVege - 2013-06-19
Just realised how powerful my job had become when compared to Marksmen... and Distancing Sense is arguably more difficult to use compared to staying at full health.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - fodjgngf - 2013-06-19
I assumed it did trigger AFA+Cartridge due to it being tagged for FA:Bow properly now?
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2013-06-19
fodjgngf Wrote:I assumed it did trigger AFA+Cartridge due to it being tagged for FA:Bow properly now?
I'd imagine when it's a turret, it doesn't. From the videos I've seen, it does not appear to trigger them in Turret mode.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Grey - 2013-06-19
JoeTang Wrote:I'd imagine when it's a turret, it doesn't. From the videos I've seen, it does not appear to trigger them in Turret mode.
The turret version of the skill does lack the Final Attack tag.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - mouse1093 - 2013-06-19
How are you including Armor Piercing? If you're interested, I did some coding to test the average activation rate of AP and it is about 28% of the time. I can copy+paste the code if you/anyone else can/wants to read it.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - KillerZero - 2013-06-20
Takebacker Wrote:Holy s'hit marksmen calm down.
no thanks <3
A snipe for you, and a snipe for you, and another snipe for youuu <3
Finally stickin to my marksman after being told how stupid it was pre big bang is paying off
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Mazz - 2013-06-20
KillerZero Wrote:no thanks <3
A snipe for you, and a snipe for you, and another snipe for youuu <3
Finally stickin to my marksman after being told how stupid it was pre big bang is paying off
It's pretty obviously not going to stay at 55k%/s.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - KillerZero - 2013-06-20
Mazz Wrote:It's pretty obviously not going to stay at 55k%/s.
i know, but one can only dream right....
but its still higher than bowmasters even without the +2 lines, still happy
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Marksman Bryan - 2013-06-20
Mazz Wrote:It's pretty obviously not going to stay at 55k%/s.
HOW ABOUT YOU GO ASURA SOMETHING ya big meanie
inb4 more snipe buffs trololol
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - ketchup1 - 2013-06-21
@JoeTang
Is the current BM table turret + hurricane?
If it is, could we maybe see turret + keydown blaster or vice versa?
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2013-06-21
ketchup1 Wrote:could we maybe see turret + keydown blaster or vice versa?
As far as I know, you can't.
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - VerrKol - 2013-06-21
JoeTang Wrote:As far as I know, you can't.
[video]http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTcyODUxODE2.html[/video]
Archer %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2013-06-21
VerrKol Wrote:[video]http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTcyODUxODE2.html[/video]
That looks extremely slow for whatever reason.
Bow Master:
Spoiler
Hyper
Here's a shot at it, assuming 80ms (rounds to 90ms) attack speed for both.
I just realised I forgot Armor Piercing for the other table, fixed it. A lot closer to realistic Marksmen now.