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[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - donovan - 2011-03-18
You may, just saying it's not really worth the effort. There are plenty of better skills they could replace it with, which is why my original suggestion was just to see it go.
Also no Alilatias, they didn't change Thunderbolt's animation, something sexy like a Mini Dark Fog would be nice.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Hanabira.Kage - 2011-03-18
Kalemora Wrote:God no, Evan's Slow doesn't even work on bosses. >_<
IDGAF that I need to actively debuff a boss. It takes less than a second and it actually works on bosses.
Sorry. I meant for it to be a buff like Evan's Slow, but still work on bosses.
It would be great at LHC.
It would be great at LHC.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-18
Moonlapse Wrote:Might as well be.
Hopefully they will be revamping every class eventually and that warriors are only step 1.
Edit:
JoeTang Wrote:Also, I fine tuned my algorithm and it determined that as optimal DPS with Panic is with 9 or more orbs on both single and multiple targets.
Would this mean optimal DPS with a Hero would be placing Panic/BS on a macro together?
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - CarrionCrow - 2011-03-18
Anonymous Moose Wrote:Hopefully they will be revamping every class eventually and that warriors are only step 1.
Guaranteed.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Felicitates - 2011-03-18
Make Arch Mages more DPS happy or at least more useful bossers :c ?
and @donovan-character-person, stop playing your evan. And go play a f/p mage without using slow or seal. Then come back and fix your comments.
Also, I like the chain-lightning animation. Its lightning, its supposed to look like scribbles.
[SPOILER="Hi I'm an example of real lightning"]
![[Image: lightning-1.jpeg]](http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/04/volcanic_lightning_eyjafjallaj/lightning-1.jpeg)
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Death - 2011-03-18
One things. Why did they make the ACB animation better then blast? And please nexon... Why no love for blunt weapons? T^T Instead of a stab in front of you it should slam into the ground like a mini heavens hammer. And blast should just get flashier or something because ACB is clearly looking 10x better now then blast.
Still very happy about the animation changes though. I can't wait. (:
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - JoeTang - 2011-03-18
Anonymous Moose Wrote:Would this mean optimal DPS with a Hero would be placing Panic/BS on a macro together?
For the simplest performance, Brave Slash + Panic would work out to be only 2620%/s.
Given the ideal scenario,
Panic on 10 orbs is ~2880%/s
Panic on 9+ orbs is ~2900%/s
Panic on 8+ orbs is ~2840%/s
This scenario itself concludes that Panic occurs immediately after the required amount of orbs is achieved, which I do not believe human reflexes can accurately reach, but if its attempted, it should be an improvement over the simple macro.
The explicit difference between the macro and the ideal scenario is that on the given chance that Final Attack off Panic reproduces 10 orbs, you would Panic twice in a row, but I do not believe that not only is that non-reproducible by a player; I believe that the delay between Final Attack occurring and performing the next attack is too great for this to occur. I'll see if I can configure a case where it delays using orbs gained from Final Attack to replicate something more realistic.
That being said, the macro of Brave Slash + Panic works out to be 2620%/s on single target and 11800%/s on six targets should be a much more accurate figure as it does not rely on the number of orbs present to perform. The net gain in orbs is on average greater than two, so you should never deplete your combo, and it would be a very low statistical occurrence of dropping down to six orbs alone, ~300 in a million. This macro should also be applicable to Coma, as the net orb gain on average should be greater than three, but Coma is inferior to Panic unless you want an interruptable stun on a monster.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Dusk - 2011-03-18
Is that assuming Panic and Coma retain their current formulas? Seems a bit unlikely.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Sorien - 2011-03-18
Those new animations are just...so...wonderful!!
My thoughts on the Paladin animations and warrior changes in general:
[video=youtube;P3ALwKeSEYs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs[/video]
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - JoeTang - 2011-03-18
Dusk Wrote:Is that assuming Panic and Coma retain their current formulas? Seems a bit unlikely.
They are. The numbers are quite high. If Panic and Coma just turn into regular skills, Panic on six monsters would be 7200%/s, and 1850%/s on single target, assuming the Brave Slash + Panic Macro.
Comparatively, Brave Slash alone is 1451.6%/s.
If they do become regular skills, the classes are relatively close to each other on 6 monster %/s, within around 200%/s, but Paladins leap far ahead with Combat Orders which makes sense. Combat Orders does almost nothing for Heroes, raising the macro to 12100%/s, and only to 7250%/s if Panic is a regular skill.
Comparatively,
Holy Thunder Advanced Charge Blow: 7375%/s on six monsters
CO: 7902%/s
Berserk Dark Impale: 7428.6%/s on six monsters
CO: 7637%/s
Heroes however get a significantly larger bonus from Ignore Target Defense from Combat Mastery, and depending on the monster, Chance Attack can come into play. On that note, can LHC monsters be affected by Panic's Darkness?
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-18
JoeTang Wrote:Heroes however get a significantly larger bonus from Ignore Target Defense from Combat Mastery, and depending on the monster, Chance Attack can come into play. On that note, can LHC monsters be affected by Panic's Darkness?
As far as I know, Panic doesnt inflict darkness on LHC mobs.
And thanks for the imput on Panic.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Malthe - 2011-03-18
donovan Wrote:I honestly just want the skill gone, but they can fix it too, just saying right now unless you're a really heavy solobosser, because in any 4th Job part situation, you will knock back the mob, and most likely have a rushing warrior, it's useless. In the Solo situation the few seconds you save is honestly not worth 20 Skills Points, you just don't have anywhere else to put em.
I lol'd.
Slow is an amazingly good skill.
If you don't think it's worth 20 skill points, then don't add into it. Problem pineappleing solved.
It shouldnt be removed when 99% of all AMs i know LOVE slow.
Hoping for some sexy bucc changes, then i wont feel like my marauder is a waste..
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - hamad138 - 2011-03-18
Im safe to say now Heroes, Ressistance , DBS and Warriors are Balanced now.
The other needs rebalance.
Mages should be like this..
[video=youtube;UunqBAHBDo8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UunqBAHBDo8[/video]
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - donovan - 2011-03-18
Delicae Wrote:Make Arch Mages more DPS happy or at least more useful bossers :c ?
and @donovan-character-person, stop playing your evan. And go play a f/p mage without using slow or seal. Then come back and fix your comments.
Also, I like the chain-lightning animation. Its lightning, its supposed to look like scribbles.
[SPOILER="Hi I'm an example of real lightning"]
Just saying I/Ls don't need either, and Seal becomes useless 4th Job when you have Paralyze. Mages aren't even great bossers, so I'm getting all the defense towards it being a great bossing skill. But honestly there are better party buff, and if it's Between you and Paladin with CO its pretty obvious the choice that's going to be made. You may use Slow, I'm saying your efforts would be better spent somewhere else, hence the need of a better skill to replace it or a change.
Mages need more to make them less of a joke class, being High Level is not really enough, because other classes just blow of out of the water, Being Slow and using Slow just make you average while every other class is blowing you away. I think removing a lot of these joke skills are a step in the right direction. Do Paladins waste time casting Threaten, nope because they don't need some lolboost because their power alone is enough, Not saying I want some hurrdurrspamclass, but honestly Slow and Seal are not what magicians need, I should now I have 5 magician classes.
The animation is outdated and of the worse of all magician 4th Jobs skills, it could be better.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Dusk - 2011-03-18
Why do you keep mentioning Seal? Seal is the most useless skill Arch Mages have. Slow is one of the most useful. They are not the same skill. You keep talking about the two skills like you're meant to use them while training on regular mobs, when the entire time everyone else has been saying "Slow is good because it works on bosses." Slow makes mobbing at LHC easier, if you are not much of a bosser.
There is no need to disable regular mobs, ever. They are way too easy. Any sort of passive stun or slow would have pretty much no effect on Magician training.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - TheTempest - 2011-03-18
donovan Wrote:Do Paladins waste time casting Threaten, nope because they don't need some lolboost because their power alone is enough.
Wait what? Threaten is an amazing skill that helps improve everyones DPM in a boss run. I use it all the time when I'm bossing with friends. Unless if you were talking about training, then yes and no. Yes for LHC monsters, no for any other monster.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Lugin - 2011-03-18
donovan Wrote:Do Paladins waste time casting Threaten, nope because they don't need some lolboost because their power alone is enough
Guess what? I use Threaten exclusively at bosses these days for a few reasons.
1. Improves everyone else's survivability.
2. Improves everyone else's damage on the target a bit.
3. I keep hearing it triggers Chance Attack for Heros.
Don't make assumptions about classes you don't play.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Malthe - 2011-03-18
donovan Wrote:Do Paladins waste time casting Threaten, nope because they don't need some lolboost because their power alone is enoughDo you know how it works? If you do try to think one more time and realize what you just said.
donovan Wrote:I should now I have 5 magician classes.And i've played all classes released in MS but that doesnt make what i say any more valid.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - Stereo - 2011-03-18
I actually don't know if Threaten is worth it for LHC, damagewise... It doesn't list the chance of failure in the skill description, but it does fail about half the time. So on average you're losing 2 attacks to that, for a 6% damage boost on 20%pdr mobs... you need to take at least 33 hits to KO the mobs for that to be worth it, and that's the bare minimum. I dunno about other Paladins, but when I'm buffed up, I don't take over 30 hits to kill mobs with only 9-10m hp.
I mostly use Threaten to save pots, since it cuts back their damage from about 1.6k to 900.
[KMST] [1.2.375] Monster Park - FenixR - 2011-03-18
Stereo Wrote:I actually don't know if Threaten is worth it for LHC, damagewise... It doesn't list the chance of failure in the skill description, but it does fail about half the time. So on average you're losing 2 attacks to that, for a 6% damage boost on 20%pdr mobs... you need to take at least 33 hits to KO the mobs for that to be worth it, and that's the bare minimum. I dunno about other Paladins, but when I'm buffed up, I don't take over 30 hits to kill mobs with only 9-10m hp.
I mostly use Threaten to save pots, since it cuts back their damage from about 1.6k to 900.
Its 50% miss rate for the -PDR and atk damage and iirc 8% chance to inflict darkness for 8secs? i forgot.
Also the range its huge and if you are training in LHC then use it when theres at least 2mobs or more.